Arc 1 Wizard101 revisited

[Zenkaibattery1]

So, currently Young Morganthe is listed as High 4-C.

This is due to the statements for Young Morganthe: ""She studied in the Star Alcazar but it went poorly. She could not master the delicacies of Star magic and quit in a furor. In her wrath, she blamed all but herself. She pulled the starS out of the sky, and we were consumed in a cataclysm of starfire."

However, this honestly rather sounds like Solar System or Multi-Solar System due to the statement honestly implying quite a large number of stars. But this is not all.

"the natures of the starS incensed her. And though she was not capable of learning it, she was strong enough to destroy it"

So while she could not manipulate the star school of magic, which deals with the manipulation of stars across the entire universe, she could very well destroy them.

"Morganthe corrupted the Moon Shrine, and obliterated the starS"

https://youtu.be/Iz21jMEjZbw?t=70

Also, to add on, The Player who at this point should be comparable to Adult Morganthe, could use spells that has "the force of time" + the countless planets in the universe + The Sun and likely all the stars: https://youtu.be/8JjvJaIBPNs?t=1241

There are also bossess weaker than Adult Morganthe who naturally inhabit and were pulled from entire star-fields

So I propose "At least Solar System level, likely/possibly Multi-Solar System level" (Morganthe was stated multiple times strong enough to obliterate stars, and while she could not control star magic, she was strong enough to destroy it. In an outrage of her failure to master Star Magic, she pulled the stars out of the night sky"), for Young and Adult Morganthe, due to the sheer number of stars she could destroy, possibly stars across the entire universe due to the nature of star magic. Then the characters who scale to her would be upgraded as well which includes.

Also, what IS a fraction of a 2-B power? Shadow Morganthe could control The Song of Creation, but only a mere small fraction of it's power. It's full power was too much for her to handle?

Malistaire

The Player (Wizard101)

Grandfather Spider

Headmaster/Merle Ambrose

Lydia Greyrose

Norns

It should be noted, when she got older, she was more than powerful enough to manipulate Star Magic.

Also, The Player during Arc 3 should be downgraded from Multiversal to Universal. Him surviving against The Storm Titan was only due to The Titan fighting The Titanic Lullaby and the primordial trees. He can literally one shot The Player in the fight, and he only lost because the Paradox chain helping him survive the Lullaby was destroyed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Destroying all the stars in the universe is indeed 4-A, yes.

 

[Andytrenom]

Combined energy of destroying all objects in the universe is 4-A Iirc. Stars may or may not be the same tier.

Is it confirmed she destroys all the stars in the universe tho?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

4-A looks fine to me.

I think the downgrade for The Player makes sense as well.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@Andy

When she's an Adult, she can manipulate a form of magic which deals with the manipulation of the stars in the universe

The statements given are from when she was young, all of which imply she has destroyed a very large number of stars before.

"Morganthe corrupted the Moon Shrine, and obliterated the starS"

"She pulled the starS out of the sky"

Along with Fodder bossess being pulled from entire star-fields

IIRC even in the OG thread for Morganthe, it was said this is more so Solar System or Multi-Solar System because the number of stars is implied to be high.

So her Adult self could can deal with a magic that manipulates the stars in the universe, whereas her young self has quite a few statements of her destroying a large number of stars

 

[Andytrenom]

The two quotes you brought up aren't really proof of destroying the entire universe full of stars

The thing about "dealing with Magic that manipulates the stars in the universe" could be something, but even that may not be good evidence without sufficient context.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I didn't say she could destroy ALL the stars in the universe

I just said she could destroy a very large number of them at once, as shown in the statements, which in a prior thread was said to probably be more so Solar System ranged considering the number of stars implied.

Pretty sure the damage output of obliterating a large number of stars in that magnitutde would warrant somewhere in the Solar System ranges

 

[Andytrenom]

Possibly. Kep and Assalt would be more knowledgeable on this topic than me.

I think it's at least all the stars visible to the naked eye and if that yields 4-B I'm fine with the rating.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Assaltwaffle/The_Average_Star

For refrence. It seems a large number of stars does fit into the Solar System range.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Destroying every star in the night sky would be between Large Star level and Large Star level+, I believe. ~5000 stars (which seems to be the average estimate) is Large Star level with low Foe results, getting close to +.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

The statements did come from cosmic entities who watch over the universe, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say it was a significant number of stars, possibly across the universe considering the beings who said she destroyed them. This wouldn't be too much of a guess either, she failed to master a form of magic that can manipulate the stars in the entire universe, so in her outrage, pulled the stars from the night sky and was stated powerful enough to destroy them even though she couldn't control them. And when she was an Adult she could manipulate that school easy

Honestly with some reasonable assumptions "At least Large Star level, possibly Solar System/ Multi-Solar System" seems like a safe bet for Young Morganthe. Or straight up Solar System considering how it's implied to be a very large number.

For Adult Morganthe, Solar System because she mastered all astral (Moon, sun and stars) forms of magic.

But I have asked Assalt since he did make the blog

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Destroying all stars in the night sky, even at a very high assumption of 10,000 stars, would be Large Star+.

 

[The_Causality]

2500 - 5,000 stars is the average number iirc

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I'd go with 5000 and call it a day.

 

[Kepekley23]

"Pulling the stars out of the sky" sounds extremely metaphorical and poetic considering stars can't actually be pulled "out" of the sky for obvious reasons (unless this verse has a Flat Earth cosmology or something). Any possibility we're looking at meteors? The fact that they mention people being consumed by "starfire" would lead me to believe that, and "stars falling from the sky" is a relatively common euphemism for meteor showers.

 

[Promestein]

It's very vague, At least High 4-C, possibly higher is probably best

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

There is no earth in Wiz. All the worlds have a seperate concept of time from each other and the universe works on the laws of magic rather than the laws of physics. The worlds are fragments of a giant "first world" which, yes, was a land, where the land and sky was one, that the titans lived in. And considering there are characters who have literally "hung stars in the night sky" (Albiet a supreme being), pulling them out doesn't seem too far fetched.

There's also the fact that it's stated in two different occasions by cosmic beings that she "obliterated starS" and that "she was strong enough to destroy it" and when she got slightly older could manipulate celestial bodies

Anyway the general idea seems to be to stick with Large Star level, so I'll do that. So could

The Player (Wizard101) be unlocked as he needs to be downgraded?

 

[The_Causality]

If it's a downgrade, he will be Downgraded at Large Star level+ since with 5000 Stars, it'sb approx 19 Foe

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

No, this is a different key for The Player (Wizard101). His "likely 2-B" key needs to be downgraded to 3-A. Also, if it is 5000 stars, it would be an upgrade for the characters that are currently star level

 

[Kepekley23]

The fact that such poetical expressions (stars pulled out of the sky and falling on earth) are used to describe the events makes it a bit hard to take the "star" label too literally, considering, of course, stars aren't really set in the sky, and you can't pull one out of the sky in the literal sense And the description you gave me seems to be mythological-ish, which makes it a bit harder to trust if those are real stars or not.

Occam's Razor would dictate that they are real stars, but the mytological-ish descriptions make me think that's evidence of a non-literal cosmology setting.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Only that WoG and the design shows they are literal stars, that make up the universe. And she never made it fall on earth?

"I am currently researching a third triangle, one that we know little about, but seems to be quite puzzling and immensely powerful; the Astral magics. These deal with the manipulation of the universe itself, the Sun, the Moon and the Stars; those heavenly bodies which are bound by (and make up) the Spiral itself, the inner workings of the great machine which makes the Universe tick... much like an old (but perfectly maintained) timepiece."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnnCXACHkGY&t=631s

Literal galaxies and stars in the background, along with the mentions of star-fields, nebula and other things

There's no reason the Universe doesn't have literal real stars lol. And even if you disregard the statements that she pulled the stars out of the night sky with her magic, there is still the fact cosmic entities stated she could destroy starS

Either way, seems that no relevant change can be made

The Player (Wizard101) needs to be downgraded though, but his profile is locked. If someone could unlock it, it would be appreciated.

Edit: Seems that 5000 was accepted as the general idea. Even with that, it would be an upgrade to Large Star level+

 

[Antvasima]

I will unlock the profile.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I don't believe 5000 is 19 Foe, though. We have a calc where 11,000 stars (more than are in the night sky) only results in under 17 Foe.

Unless this is incorrect, 5000 is still only Large Star level, with no +.

 

[Andytrenom]

Yeah. Assalt's comment was about 10,000 stars not 5000. Tho going by Azzy's comment, I guess even that wouldn't have been large star+.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Alright, I won't add the "+", I'll just downgrade Arc 3 Player and change Morganthe's justification

 

[The_Causality]

Yeah mui bad, 5000 is 7.55E+44 J ~ 7 Foe

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Alright. I did it all, The Player (Wizard101) can be locked and this can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.