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Applying DBZ Kai to DBS Anime

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Buu’s strike could actually land on Vegito and actually press him a bit, he gets neg diffed yes it does follow up the statement in Kai. The statement in Kai is just not properly followed up
Technically he does nothing in both of them. It doesn't change the fact that vegito negative diffed regardless. After the punches he lands nothing like that again. Just accept the fact that it vegito is just overwhelmingly powerful. So the statement is enough.
I’m not sure how that correlates with Vegito being stronger regardless, but I’m not denying that fact that it’s a ki attack, it’s just an amplification
It means he can put the ki into his regular strikes. Vegito even acknowledges buu can do this lmfao. There is literally no issue here.
 
Technically he does nothing in both of them. It doesn't change the fact that vegito negative diffed regardless. After the punches he lands nothing like that again. Just accept the fact that it vegito is just overwhelmingly powerful. So the statement is enough.
fair nuff
 
Piccolo was witnessed Goku and Vegeta’s strength in the ToP in their SSBKKx20/SSBE tiers (Not saying he sensed it but he should be able to determine their strength anyway). Some Super Hero promotional material also states the Gammas are at the same level as current Goku and Vegeta

The statement only refers to the forms, it doesn’t mention any of the users in the strength comparison
Current Goku and Vegeta should mean SSB states as what that's the max they used in the movies and the last Piccolo saw.

I am not even sure SSBE/SSBKKx20 were taken into consideration or even existed in movies (UI is obviously out of the question as it should mean Goku and Vegeta in equivalent states).

As for the multipliers (Rose and Blue), ig that's fair enough. Still iffy tho ngl.
 
Another nitpick from me is this




Shouldn't the regular SSJ multiplier be applied at this point? As Rose is the equivalent for SSJ1 in the anime.

Wouldn't the scan mean SS Rose in Black matches Blue, not the form itself? I think it makes more sense this way.

Black overpowering Blue Vegeta, becoming Rose and stabbing him just for Goku and Trunks to be able to somewhat keep up with him just after that makes little sense if Black became millions of times stronger than all of them.

50x should make more sense, and its in line with Black surpassing everyone else in arcs prior (10x Goku and Hit from U6).
No, it’s directly stated to be his version of SS that surpasses SSGSS. Toriyama words Rosé this way too. He states it as a Goku Black version of SSJ, and it’s called that here too. The statement directly talks about the form. Vegeta overpowers Rose once he comes back just like in the manga too. What you think seems more consistent shouldn’t override blatant statements.
 
He states it as a Goku Black version of SSJ, and it’s called that here too. The statement directly talks about the form. Vegeta overpowers Rose once he comes back just like in the manga too. What you think seems more consistent shouldn’t override blatant statements.
Toriyama states Rose is a version of blue
 
Looks fine, but given that Super is treated by Toriyama as the canon continuation of his manga and Kai as the "definitive" version of Z, should we apply some stuff from Kai into the manga?
 
Toriyama states Rose is a version of blue
He implies it, but he says “Become a Super Saiyan like Goku, and a Super Saiyan of a slightly different color than Goku.” I posted the scan, but unfortunately it got deleted for some reason? I quoted it verbatim though, but it’s pretty easy to find online. Bare minimum though, it’s LITERALLY stated to be as strong as SSJB, so whether you think it’s blue or SSJ it doesn’t matter.
 
No, we already accept the feat scales to his overall stats in this wiki. You probably just missed the thread
It scales to his stats, no one said it doesn't, it just scales above his regular ones, he's still 2C (he didn't get infinitely stronger just by doing it) just higher with the that attack based on his much effort it took vegito to overwhelm it (similar to special attacks) imo

But it seems the issue has been settled
 
This does seem pretty obvious. The DBS anime directly references scenes that exist only in the DBZ anime like Ginyu stealing Bulma's body, but nothing that was absent from the Kai version like earlier appearances of Broly, and at the time DBS was releasing, DBZ Kai was the standing DBZ anime version.
 
Why are we using DBZ Kai, when blatantly, DBZ Kai shows frieza watching the final fight between Goku and Buu together with cell
 
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