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Anti-Spiral creating a multiverse
Hello! A while ago I posted a thread about the AntiSpiral and his power. However, even tho I did receive some replies, I feel like none of them provided any analisis to back up their statements. They were opinions (I mean no disrespect with this). At the time I didn't continued the thread because I was busy with university and stuff but now I've taken the time to explain with more detail why the AntiSpiral is indeed Multiversal. I would greatly appreciate if someone would take the time to look at it.
This is one of the replies I received:
DarkLK: "Infinite possibilities was only mental illusion. Not reality warping or something like this."
-No explanation was given as to why he thinks it is a dream/illusion. And I can say for sure that it contradicts the anime.
Why was the Multiversal Labyrinth NOT a dream but a REAL multiverse:
Evidence #1
-The first and most obvious proof is the name the AntiSpiral gives to it: "Multiversal Labyrith". To be sure about the legitimacy of this statement I re-watched the episodes in japanese. There he uses the phrase: ÕñÜÕàâÕ«çÕ«ÖÞ┐ÀÕ«« = "Tagen Uchuu meikyuu". "Tagen Uchuu" literally translates to "Multiverse" with no mistake, and "Meikyuu" means "Labyrinth". In fact this is the japanese term applied to it when talking about M-Theory.
-The question that could arise is: "Why trust that the name of the attack is to be taken as a true description of the nature of said attack?"
Answer: Throughout the whole series the characters name the attacks describing what it does.
A few examples:
Giga Drill Break(er): Giga is derived from the Greek word ╬│╬»╬│╬▒¤é, meaning "giant", Drill is a drill (no science there) and Break/Breaker…well, it breaks stuff. Plain, descriptive name.
Space-Time shattering burst-spinning punch: Describing exactly what it does. Shatters Space-Time continuum and creates a spinning explosion of power.
Super Galaxy Mega Cutter: "Super Galaxy Gurren" uses his glasses to cut. Plain, descriptive.
Even other characters: Lordgenome's "Lazengann Overload". Overload= "load with too great a burden or cargo". Once again descriptive.
Same can be said about the Multiversal Labyrinth.
Evidence #2
The description that the current AntiSpiral's profile gives makes no sense whatsoever.
"Create a dream inside of his opponents' heads to make them complete their own dream."
-Once again, the attack was never called a dream by the AntiSpiral but futhermore it can't be them "completing their dream" for many other reasons:
-Simon wasn't "living his dream" AT ALL.
The Kamina in the universe where Simon is first seen is a complete asshole. He makes Simon do all the work and keeps everything for himself (except for giving him a ring out of all the bags of loot). Not the kind of Kamina that Simon would want to dream of.
This Kamina is also a coward. Not the kind of Kamina Simon would ever dream of if this was a so called "dimensional illusion". Simon looked up to his big bro so this makes no sense as a "complete their own dream" scenario.
And I suppose that Leeron's biggest dream (as the scientific genius he is) is being an electrician, right?…Same could be said for "trigger happy" Attenborough…right?…makes no sense.
Only Yoko and Viral are seen leading a really happy life. But that's just as the AntiSpiral said: infinite possibility…Some characters had a good life, others not so much…We even see one universe where Simon is kissing LEERON…should I suppose that's also his perfect dream too? (what about Nia then?)
Evidence #3
The description the AntiSpiral gives of the Multiversal Labyrinth:
-The universes in the Multiverse were created by their self-recognition.
This is complete valid from a scientific perspective. In the Many-Worlds quantum approach of M-theory (which can be done without a problem as both concepts can operate at the same time)
Each decision we take creates a new universe but we can only percieve one at the time, our wave function switches instantly. Self recognition is required for this to happen. As we are the observers of the event that creates the new universe.
"Observation creates parallel universes
Everything we see moves like either a wave or a particle. This theory of matter duality has been called the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP), which states that the act of observation disturbs quantities like momentum and position.
Everett's Many-Worlds Theory (MWT) holds many ramifications that completely transform our perceptions on life. Any action that has more than one possible result produces a split in the universe. Thus, there are an infinite number of parallel universes and infinite copies of each person.
These copies have identical facial and body features, but do not have identical personalities (one may be aggressive and another may be passive) because each one experiences a separate outcome." (source: http://www.universetoday.com/113900/parallel-universes-and-the-many-worlds-theory/)
This describes the exact situation of our heroes in the anime. They are inside a Multiverse, not a dream.
Evidence #4
-BOOTA
If the Multiversal Labyrinth was just a dream then why it didnt affect Boota when he was an animal?…
Is not a secret that animals can dream, lots of studies show this. So being an animal was not a reason that could keep Boota from entering the Multiverse if it was a "dream" or "mental illusion".
However, as mentioned before, human's self-recognition as a sentient being is what creates all the parallel universes. Animals are not contemplated as quantum observes because they aren't sentient (some animals do have a high degree of intelligence tho). Human "choice" is what creates infinite universes of infinite possibilities.
Also, when Boota does become a human and he enters the Multiverse he's still in the same place where he was at the moment (what a boring dream...), why is that?…Because Boota's only sentient choice was to turn human at that moment, unlike the rest of the humans in the team who had lived a long life creating infinite amounts of universes with their choices, Boota had only made one choice so he was trapped inside the first universe he ever created as a sentient being.
-I've seen this community tries to be accurate, so this time if someone says that the multiverse was a dream all I ask is that he gives proof to support that as well.
Hello! A while ago I posted a thread about the AntiSpiral and his power. However, even tho I did receive some replies, I feel like none of them provided any analisis to back up their statements. They were opinions (I mean no disrespect with this). At the time I didn't continued the thread because I was busy with university and stuff but now I've taken the time to explain with more detail why the AntiSpiral is indeed Multiversal. I would greatly appreciate if someone would take the time to look at it.
This is one of the replies I received:
DarkLK: "Infinite possibilities was only mental illusion. Not reality warping or something like this."
-No explanation was given as to why he thinks it is a dream/illusion. And I can say for sure that it contradicts the anime.
Why was the Multiversal Labyrinth NOT a dream but a REAL multiverse:
Evidence #1
-The first and most obvious proof is the name the AntiSpiral gives to it: "Multiversal Labyrith". To be sure about the legitimacy of this statement I re-watched the episodes in japanese. There he uses the phrase: ÕñÜÕàâÕ«çÕ«ÖÞ┐ÀÕ«« = "Tagen Uchuu meikyuu". "Tagen Uchuu" literally translates to "Multiverse" with no mistake, and "Meikyuu" means "Labyrinth". In fact this is the japanese term applied to it when talking about M-Theory.
-The question that could arise is: "Why trust that the name of the attack is to be taken as a true description of the nature of said attack?"
Answer: Throughout the whole series the characters name the attacks describing what it does.
A few examples:
Giga Drill Break(er): Giga is derived from the Greek word ╬│╬»╬│╬▒¤é, meaning "giant", Drill is a drill (no science there) and Break/Breaker…well, it breaks stuff. Plain, descriptive name.
Space-Time shattering burst-spinning punch: Describing exactly what it does. Shatters Space-Time continuum and creates a spinning explosion of power.
Super Galaxy Mega Cutter: "Super Galaxy Gurren" uses his glasses to cut. Plain, descriptive.
Even other characters: Lordgenome's "Lazengann Overload". Overload= "load with too great a burden or cargo". Once again descriptive.
Same can be said about the Multiversal Labyrinth.
Evidence #2
The description that the current AntiSpiral's profile gives makes no sense whatsoever.
"Create a dream inside of his opponents' heads to make them complete their own dream."
-Once again, the attack was never called a dream by the AntiSpiral but futhermore it can't be them "completing their dream" for many other reasons:
-Simon wasn't "living his dream" AT ALL.
The Kamina in the universe where Simon is first seen is a complete asshole. He makes Simon do all the work and keeps everything for himself (except for giving him a ring out of all the bags of loot). Not the kind of Kamina that Simon would want to dream of.
This Kamina is also a coward. Not the kind of Kamina Simon would ever dream of if this was a so called "dimensional illusion". Simon looked up to his big bro so this makes no sense as a "complete their own dream" scenario.
And I suppose that Leeron's biggest dream (as the scientific genius he is) is being an electrician, right?…Same could be said for "trigger happy" Attenborough…right?…makes no sense.
Only Yoko and Viral are seen leading a really happy life. But that's just as the AntiSpiral said: infinite possibility…Some characters had a good life, others not so much…We even see one universe where Simon is kissing LEERON…should I suppose that's also his perfect dream too? (what about Nia then?)
Evidence #3
The description the AntiSpiral gives of the Multiversal Labyrinth:
-The universes in the Multiverse were created by their self-recognition.
This is complete valid from a scientific perspective. In the Many-Worlds quantum approach of M-theory (which can be done without a problem as both concepts can operate at the same time)
Each decision we take creates a new universe but we can only percieve one at the time, our wave function switches instantly. Self recognition is required for this to happen. As we are the observers of the event that creates the new universe.
"Observation creates parallel universes
Everything we see moves like either a wave or a particle. This theory of matter duality has been called the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP), which states that the act of observation disturbs quantities like momentum and position.
Everett's Many-Worlds Theory (MWT) holds many ramifications that completely transform our perceptions on life. Any action that has more than one possible result produces a split in the universe. Thus, there are an infinite number of parallel universes and infinite copies of each person.
These copies have identical facial and body features, but do not have identical personalities (one may be aggressive and another may be passive) because each one experiences a separate outcome." (source: http://www.universetoday.com/113900/parallel-universes-and-the-many-worlds-theory/)
This describes the exact situation of our heroes in the anime. They are inside a Multiverse, not a dream.
Evidence #4
-BOOTA
If the Multiversal Labyrinth was just a dream then why it didnt affect Boota when he was an animal?…
Is not a secret that animals can dream, lots of studies show this. So being an animal was not a reason that could keep Boota from entering the Multiverse if it was a "dream" or "mental illusion".
However, as mentioned before, human's self-recognition as a sentient being is what creates all the parallel universes. Animals are not contemplated as quantum observes because they aren't sentient (some animals do have a high degree of intelligence tho). Human "choice" is what creates infinite universes of infinite possibilities.
Also, when Boota does become a human and he enters the Multiverse he's still in the same place where he was at the moment (what a boring dream...), why is that?…Because Boota's only sentient choice was to turn human at that moment, unlike the rest of the humans in the team who had lived a long life creating infinite amounts of universes with their choices, Boota had only made one choice so he was trapped inside the first universe he ever created as a sentient being.
-I've seen this community tries to be accurate, so this time if someone says that the multiverse was a dream all I ask is that he gives proof to support that as well.
