Anti-Spiral vs Arceus

[Joseph619]

If the 4-D doesn't have the feats, he doesn't have the feats. A 4-D doesn't gain resistance to hax just because he has an extra dimension.

I am pretty sure that is not the wiki consensus, I have seen this being debated many times over the past 3 years and it was always the same.

@Kaltias: Well if Arceus can use all of Dialga and Palkia's abilities to the same extent then I suppose that's fine. I do disagree with Kepekley's reasoning though.

 

[Joseph619]

@Cal: Didn't the wiki agree that lower dimensional hax can't affect higher dimensional characters? That's why Homura and Martian Manhunter's TP feats are considered so impressive

 

[Kaltias]

He has their abilities to the same extent (well technically higher but we don't know how much)

 

[Kepekley23]

@Kaltias

A 3-D can't interact with a 4-D, just like your two-dimensional shadow is incapable of interacting with you, a 3-D object. The opposite, a 4-D can't interact with a 3-D, is just as true.

So I have to ask for links on how this was discussed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Cal: Didn't the wiki agree that lower dimensional hax can't affect higher dimensional characters? That's why Homura and Martian Manhunter's TP feats are considered so impressive

That's if the character themselves are lower dimensional, such as a 3-D being having a 4-D hax. It's not backwards compatible, however. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.

 

[Kaltias]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1087383?useskin=oasis

^ Here is the "you need to prove that it works on higher dimensional beings" one.

The "higher dimensional can affect lower dimensional" is in the tiering system page I think?

 

[Joseph619]

@Cal: Got it bro ovo

@Kal: Ah I remember that discussion. Kepekley might have missed it maybe?

 

[Kepekley23]

Higher dimensionals affecting lower dimensionals is definitely a no-no. Punch your shadow.

The only way the two dimensions can interact is through hax, which is probably how it was decided.

 

[Kaltias]

It's definitely possible. Draw a stick man on a paper, now burn the paper. The stick man is destroyed

Also bad example, the shadow is the projection of a higher dimensional being in this case (3-D me to 2-D shadow) not a simple 2-D being

 

[Joseph619]

Well, a general fight between a 3-D and 4-D (assuming the 3-D char has no 4-D power) would be considered mismatch stomp om the wiki in favor of the 4-D just by tiering difference.

 

[Kepekley23]

A paper is a 3-dimensional object. You're destroying a 3-D, not a 2-D.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The stick wins if it's Gildedguy ovo

 

[Kaltias]

That's the point. You destroy the being alongside its level of existence via affecting the higher dimensional construct that contains it

 

[Kaltias]

The stick wins if it's Gildedguy ovo

I stand corrected

 

[Joseph619]

The stick wins if it's Gildedguy ovo

Lol xD

 

[Kepekley23]

@Cal

Arzon solos VSBW

@Kal

We're derailing this thread. Let's drop this for a while. I will take it to a wall if necessary.

My vote is still on Arceus, BTW. He can affect 2-Bs.

 

[Joseph619]

@Kepekley: Let's go to your wall then, I'm quite interested in your topic. Do you have any match in mind to test your theory?

 

[Kepekley23]

What theory? In my view, the two dimensions can't directly interact, so there'd be no match-up.

 

[Joseph619]

What I, you and Kal have been talking about. Since me and Kal disagreed with you on that, based on the previous wiki consensus.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Voting for Arceus FRA.

 

[Overlord775]

Arceus for the big AP advantage and bacause of the huge amount of hax that would screw A-S, such as knowlege, emotions and willpower erasure, void manipulation, space-time manipulation and power nullification

 

[Kaltias]

AS wins because shiny Arceus is ugly AF. ovo

 

[DMUA]

And..... How exactly is Arceus going to deal with "Lol probability manip"?


Cause, if he can't, well.......

 

[Overlord775]

And..... How exactly is Arceus going to deal with "Lol probability manip"?


Cause, if he can't, well.......

power nullification

 

[NeoZex6399]

And Causality manipulation.

 

[DMB_1]

Voting for Lama Jesus FRA

 

[DMUA]

So.... How exactly is Anti-spiral supposed to have the slightest chance of victory?

 

[DodoNova2]

IDK

 

[DMUA]

So, this would be a stomp?

Dangit guys, it's only okay to make stomps if Cal gets tortured.

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[NeoZex6399]

Arceus FRA

 

[NeoZex6399]

This thread is being totally ignored...

 

[DodoNova2]

I'm going to please you

Arceus FRA

 

[DMUA]

I still don't know how this isn't a stomp if Arceus can just say "Lol Power Null" And make Anti-Spiral unable to do anything.

 

[DodoNova2]

It's true that this situation is a bit Stompfish

 

[DMUA]

Then why hasn't this been hakai'd?

Does Rice need to be called?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Rice can't hakai my threads. They have mid-godly regen ovo.

 

[DMUA]

Then I guess he'd have to break out the Omega Void Manipulation.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Rice can't hakai my threads. They have mid-godly regen ovo.

Rice can't..but Lucemon can.


Do you want him to?

 

[DMUA]

Insert gif of SSB Goku from Xenoverse 2 screaming DO IT!!!!!!!