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Another DBZ upgrade, this time for Piccolo

Vizer04

Vizer04

He/Him
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3,144
At least Moon level (Much stronger than before after training with King Kai), Dwarf Star level after fusing with Nail (Forced Frieza to use the full power of his second form without taking off his weighted armor)
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Why is Piccolo only Moon level before fusing with Nail? Didn't Nail himself praise Piccolo for his power, saying that it was "astonishing"? Not to mention that Piccolo believed he could fight Frieza (1st Form) without fusion.

And we also have this statement from the Namekian Elder:
Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P3.4-5
Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo.
Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die..."
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Based on this, we can assume that Kami's fusion multiplies x2 Piccolo's power level and they also said he could defeat Frieza in his 1st Form.
So, Piccolo's power x2 > 530,000. That'd make him around 300,000 (Dwarf Star level), which is also consistent with Nail and Piccolo's assumptions.


Edit: Unrelated to the CRT, but can someone explain something in Tien's profile?
Tien: Planet level (Not too far behind Krillin at this time), far higher with Kikoho (Managed to pin Semi-Perfect Cell down by continuously using the attack, but this badly drained and nearly killed him)
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Why it says "Not too far behind Krillin at this time"? Shouldn't be the other way around?
 
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Piccolo going off to fight Frieza doesn’t really confirm he believed he could fight Frieza, we don’t scale every Z Fighter to the Villain of the Arc because the came to help. plus Piccolo has techniques that are explicitly above his regular Power like Special Beam Cannon that would help in the fight
 
Vizer04 said:
But Krillin and Gohan can sense Frieza, and they still wish for Piccolo to get transported there.
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They could not sense Piccolo however, by there POV the last person who came back from training with King Kai got a Huge Power boost and Piccolo himself is confident in his Abilities (though really bringing Piccolo to Namek in the first place is pretty stupid but I digress)
Vizer04 said:
It didn't work with Raditz the first time, much less will work with Frieza.
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Doesn’t mean it isn’t worth a shot, besides, what else are they gonna try?
 
DragonLord said:
They could not sense Piccolo however, by there POV the last person who came back from training with King Kai got a Huge Power boost and Piccolo himself is confident in his Abilities
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And when he arrives at the planet and sense Frieza's power, he still flies immediately to save Gohan.
DragonLord said:
Doesn’t mean it isn’t worth a shot, besides, what else are they gonna try?
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Use the wish to revive Chiaotzu (who can't be revived with Earth DBs) and, you know... not endanger the DBs by bringing Piccolo to Namek.
 
Vizer04 said:
And when he arrives at the planet and sense Frieza's power, he still flies immediately to save Gohan.
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Piccolo’s other options were…?. Like if he doesn’t come in to help, he’s basically letting his allies die and then having Frieza come to him and kill him
Vizer04 said:
Use the wish to revive Chiaotzu (who can't be revived with Earth DBs) and, you know... not endanger the DBs by bringing Piccolo to Namek.
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Even if Piccolo was Frieza Level this would be a Plot Hole tbh
 
DragonLord said:
Piccolo’s other options were…?. Like if he doesn’t come in to help, he’s basically letting his allies die and then having Frieza come to him and kill him
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Neither the author nor Piccolo himself say anything that makes it look like the wish was a mistake. Piccolo only says Frieza's power is monstruous but nothing else, he immediately flies to the battlefield.
DragonLord said:
Even if Piccolo was Frieza Level this would be a Plot Hole tbh
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Why?
 
Vizer04 said:
Neither the author nor Piccolo himself say anything that makes it look like the wish was a mistake. Piccolo only says Frieza's power is monstruous but nothing more, he immediately flies to the battlefield.
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Considering how confident Piccolo was during these years, him being outright shocked by Frieza’s power seems odd if he was comparable in the first place
Vizer04 said:
Why?
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Putting a Frieza Comparable Piccolo out there would still heavily risk the Earth Dragon Balls
 
DragonLord said:
Considering how confident Piccolo was during these years, him being outright shocked by Frieza’s power seems odd if he was comparable in the first place
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Except i never said Piccolo was comparable to Frieza. I believe he's above Ginyu, but nothing more.
 
Vizer04 said:
And when he arrives at the planet and sense Frieza's power, he still flies immediately to save Gohan.
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Nothing in Piccolo's approach even suggests that he was confident in taking on Frieza. He arrives on Namek and immediately seeks out Gohan. Instead of sensing out Gohan though, he feels the presence of Frieza (leaving him visibly shaken and sweating), Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta, and rushes over to Gohan's location. On the way, he senses Frieza's power grow even higher, a power that surpassed his initial estimations of Frieza.
Vizer04 said:
But Krillin and Gohan can sense Frieza, and they still wish for Piccolo to get transported there.
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They wish Piccolo back because Kami will return as a result, and they transport him to Namek because he wanted to come and avenge his people. However, nobody at that time—not Gohan, Krillin, Vegeta, or Piccolo—had sensed Frieza's power yet as he had not came rushing towards them until afterward.

Alright, let's get back to the stupid shit.
Vizer04 said:
Based on this, we can assume that Kami's fusion multiplies x2 Piccolo's power level
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"How foolish... He diminished by half the power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die..."
By fissioning, the Nameless Namekian cut in half the power he received from birth; however, as we all know, the Piccolo portion grew stronger.

Guru also states that had Piccolo and Kami merged once more during the Invasion of the Saiyans, he wouldn't have died, implying that he would be able to stand up against the Saiyans which is weird, because Vegeta was far above two-times his Power Level.
Vizer04 said:
Why is that strange? You don't need to be two times stronger than other person to stomp them (Piccolo vs 3rd Form Frieza, Cell vs Gohan SS2, etc)
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Gohan was getting dogged on by a suppressed Cell as a Super Saiyan, and completely bullied a full power and even transformed Cell effortlessly as a Super Saiyan 2. That was no mere two-times difference. And, who's to say that Frieza only two-times as powerful entering his Third Form?
Vizer04 said:
Didn't Nail himself praise Piccolo for his power, saying that it was "astonishing"?
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"Praising someone for their power" is not the same as saying "This guy is more powerful than me". It's a praise; nothing more.

But even then, this means little to nothing, since Nail then immediately went on to say, "If you were truly one... as a Namekian... then you might be able... to defeat... even Freeza...", suggesting "Oh, Piccolo is definitely not half as powerful as Frieza, and thus High 5-A". Even Piccolo himself considered his power to be inferior to Frieza's and believed that he would need to fuse with Kami once again to reach his level power.

And, let's for a moment, assume that Piccolo is around Nail's Power Level of 40,000. Frieza's Power Level of 580,000 trumps over that by fourteen and a half times—not two-times. Oh, but you're assumption is that Piccolo is 290,000, based on literally nothing.

Also, Namekian Fusion does not warrant different multipliers based on who you assimilate. It is an increase of many times across the board, with the lead gaining the abilities and the memories of their partners. Nothing suggests that merging with Kami simply netted him twice as much power as before, and there is nothing to reasonably suggest that, especially given the context behind their fusionism.

Nail, having a little grasp on Frieza's capabilities after that thrashing, believed that Piccolo would need an increase of "many fold" in order to take on Frieza, furthering disproving the notion that "Piccolo is only half as powerful as Frieza".

Oh! Here's more proof that Piccolo was scared shitless of Frieza's power.

You got anymore dumbass argument? I'll eat them right up.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Gohan was getting dogged on by a suppressed Cell as a Super Saiyan, and completely bullied a full power and even transformed Cell effortlessly as a Super Saiyan 2. That was no mere two-times difference.
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The SS2 is canonically a x2 multiplier, the same goes for Frieza's transformations...
 
Vizer04 said:
Yeah, and he literally says he's stronger now and that he can defeat Frieza. He know how strong Vegeta was on Earth and he also knows Vegeta was scared shitless of Frieza so he should be way stronger than Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
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Piccolo had no idea just how strong Frieza is, so that is a baseless assumption from him

By that logic, Vegeta would've curbstomped the Androids as he claimed he'll blast them to pieces starting with 18. We all know how that went...
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Piccolo had no idea just how strong Frieza is, so that is a baseless assumption from him

By that logic, Vegeta would've curbstomped the Androids as he claimed he'll blast them to pieces starting with 18. We all know how that went...
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When he's transported to Namek he doesn't say or think anything like this: "oh shit, it was a mistake to bring me here, Frieza's power is in another dimension and i don't have a single chance to beat him..."

No, he just makes a short statement of Frieza being "incredibly powerful" and he's clearly sweating and nervous but still flies to the battlefield without thinking too much about it.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
believed that Piccolo would need an increase of "many fold" in order to take on Frieza
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That increase of "many fold" wasn't just to take on Frieza, but he was able to fight him in his 2nd Form, and winning.
Nullflowerblush said:
furthering disproving the notion that "Piccolo is only half as powerful as Frieza".
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Again:
Based on this, we can assume that Kami's fusion multiplies x2 Piccolo's power level
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You get that?
Kami
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NOT NAIL
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