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Another Bayonetta Upgrade (A BIG ONE THIS TIME)

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While I don't follow Bayonetta and have no knowledge about it, reading the OP/Thread the ratings suggested and the scaling seems to make sense to me.

Take that with a grain of salt, though
 
Well, I suppose that we may have to accept the upgrades, despite the contradictions involved then.
 
That might help, yes. Although most staff members don't seem to take notice and reply anyway. I usually have to leave messages on all of their talk pages to get responses.
 
I don't have much knowledge on Bayonetta, not sure if my comment would be inappropiate as I don't know the context
 
well after talking to ever I came to agree with this upgrade though my knowledge for Bayonetta is very lacking :/
 
It's best if you check with the arguments/points put fourth by DontTalk above also, if you haven't already so you can see both points of views
 
Can you place polite messages asking for input here on the walls of the administrators and forum moderators who have not already contributed?
 
"At least 5-A demonstrated in practical combat. Possibly 3-A via the lore" then?

I think it's a good idea.
 
(My knowledge of Bayonetta is subpar at best but...) I agree with separating lore from canon. As Don'tTalk pointed out the events of the cataclysmic struggle are far too vague to to be used as evidence for "solid" upgrade, particularly the durability. If the subject was in need of "resurrection" and there was no explanation of their current physical state it does indeed seem like a poor durability feat, one that they likely can't scale to. Was it stated the eyes were created from his own power? Has he displayed reality warping so that we can trust this statement as undeniable proof? "His will would become that of the Universe". Again, vague. Does this mean he can control the physical matter of the Universe? Or that he will establish dominion over the subjects/inhabitants. It doesn't seem to be alluding to Universe Creation.
 
The Aesir which Bayonetta and Balder fought was missing Loki itself, the other part of his soul, even with most of his power, he was not at the level of the original Aesir which was more poweful than Jubileus and created both eyes of the world.
 
one question. Does this upgrade count as 3-A, High 3-A or low 2-C since Bayo and Balder can affect Time?
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. Cases such as this are difficult to evaluate, due to that they only demonstrate large planet level attack power in practice. "At least 5-A demonstrated in practical combat. Possibly 3-A via the lore" then?
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I am fine with this to be honest. It is a good middle ground approach.
 
at least 5-A demonstrated in practical possibly 3-A via lore seems fine though i think jubelius is at least 5-A with only 1 eyes of the world
 
Well, for the moment it seems like we should probably stick to: "At least 5-A demonstrated in practical combat. Possibly 3-A via the lore"
 
So we have 3 options from what it looks like:

Don't upgrade them to 3-A based on the lore and keep them the way they are, keep the 5-A tier but add the 3-A as a possible tier only by lore, or straight up upgrade them to 3-A based on the lore.

Hmm....
 
well the majority of people agree with an upgrade for what it's worth... Like I said while they never showed destruction or merging the universes, they could be like Dragon Ball characters in the fact that they focus their power to one point. Like Ever said it was the main goals of the villains of the story.

Edit: Not only that but they have a legit reason for not doing so right away.

Bayo: Wasn't anywhere near her goal.

Balder: Needed the right eye.

Jubileus: Bayonetta kept attacking her.
 
OK, so a suggestion:

Jubileus and Aesir get Universe level AP, possibly with the note that reality warping like that was practically not used in combat (maybe just write that part under weaknesses or something)

Jubileus durability gets ",possibly Universe level (sat at the apex of the First Armageddon, which split the Universe into 3 parts. The same event however possibly put her into eternal sleep she couldn't awake from on her own, so it is questionable if he could actually tank it)"


The rest get scaled to those in the way discussed above (with possibly when scaled from jubileus durability and the reasoning behind the scaling noted).

Would that be agreeable?
 
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