An Angel vs a Trickster: Joker vs Asriel

[Pizzabox492]

True End Game Key Joker is used, Joker has Satanael as his main persona but can use other personas if needed. No omnipotent orb.

Asriel starts in Angel form.

Speed is =

Both Bloodlusted

 

[Lukewoesal007]

This is a massive stomp in Ren's favor, sorry.

 

[Pizzabox492]

This is a massive stomp in Ren's favor, sorry.

Care to elaborate how?

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Care to elaborate how?

Look at their profiles. Joker is 1-A, while Asriel is 2-B max.

 

[Pizzabox492]

Look at their profiles. Joker is 1-A, while Asriel is 2-B max.

But like why would it be a "massive stomp"? Like what does Ren resist from Asriel and how exactly Ren's attacks effect Asriel? I'm just curious.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

But like why would it be a "massive stomp"? Like what does Ren resist from Asriel?

Ren is dimensionally superior to Asriel, and that alone would be enough to resist everything Asriel could do. However, Ren specifically resists all of Asriel's abilities as well.

From Cognitive Physiology:

• Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Fusionism, Absorption, Existence Erasure, and Void Manipulation: Demons naturally exist in the Expanse, a higher-dimensional realm that transcends past, present, and future[15], which formed of Magnetite, in which even a jar of it can erode one's mind[5]. The Expanse also swallows and consumes[12] all that comes in contact with it, including the universe itself[12]. They are also capable of maintaining their own existence in the Collective Unconscious[21], where the concept of the ego does not exist and all self-identity[22] dissolves into oneness[38].
• Transmutation, Data Manipulation, and Petrification: All Demons are unaffected by the Cuvier Syndrome, which is caused by the sun releasing corrupt Data that instantly transforms anyone exposed to it into stone, and are capable of quickly breaking out of being turned into flies or other animals[39].
• BFR: Demons are able to protect themselves and others[16] from being sent to other realms.
• Disease Manipulation: Demons can look into Girimehkala's eyes and remain unfazed by its effects[40].
• Magic (Elemental Manipulation, Absolute Zero, Healing, Purification, Status Effect Inducement, Energy Absorption, Statistics Amplification, Statistics Reduction, Statistics Negation, Damage Boost, Damage Reduction, Light Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Curse Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Summoning, Resurrection, Resistance Negation, Existence Erasure, Forcefield Creation, Attack Reflection): Demons have an assortment of ways of dealing with their own attacks, such as Null, Repel, Resistance and Anti-Skills, etc.
• Physics Manipulation and Matter Manipulation: Demons are composed of Magnetite, an energy substance derived from human thoughts, which is also unbound by the laws of physics[5], followed by Shadows, who are constructed from a material that voids physics[18], granting immunity to anything that abides by it[19]. Mirages serve as no objection to the rule[17].
• Death Manipulation: Demons are able to survive within the Vortex World, which instantly kills anyone inside it[13].
• Space-Time Manipulation and Time Stop: Shadows are naturally unaffected by their own space-time distortions, as well as those of other Shadows.
• Extreme Cold and Cosmic Radiation: Demons are completely unharmed while being in outer space[31].
• Enhanced Resistance to Mind Manipulation: Stronger Demons can withstand Kagutsuchi's light, which can affect weaker Demons[13].
• Enhanced Resistance to Existence Erasure: Demons of significant stature, such as Demi-Fiend, can no-sell Kagutsuchi's light, which can erase people from existence[13].
• Observation: As proven by Mem Aleph, Observation cannot reach the deep depths of the Atziluth, with this characteristic being directly responsible for Mem Aleph's lack of an anthropomorphized form.

From Ren's Page:

Resistance to Fate Manipulation and Causality Manipulation (as the Trickster, Ren is unaffected by the predetermined fates that exist within the Megaten, which binds even Type 4 Acausals), Time Manipulation (is able to move in stopped time), Cognition (the Phantom Thieves' wills of rebellion serve as protection against the effects of Cognition). Depending on the equipped Persona, Resistance, Invulnerability, Reflection and/or Absorption of: Fire, Ice, Lightning, Wind, Radiation, Explosion, Psychokinetic, Energy, Holy, Light, Curse, Darkness, Death Manipulation, BFR, Probability Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Information Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Fusionism and Memory Manipulation (Simply having the potential to awaken a Persona grants one a will firm enough to maintain their own existence and individuality in the unconscious world, where the concept of the ego does not exist and all individuality dissolves into oneness, with ordinary people being immediately overwhelmed by the nothingness and scattered throughout all possible worlds by stepping into it), Curse Manipulation (Like the other protagonists, he is likely able to fight and defeat White Rider, the abstract embodiment of victory and conquest whose crown assures his success in all battles and wars. Unbothered by interactions with Pisacas, which fate humans to die in the span of nine months), Disease Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Madness Manipulation and Chaos Manipulation (Unaffected by the act of looking into Girimehkala's eye, which inflicts incurable sickness and misfortune into individuals, and by the gaze of Yakkha, which is said to inflict disease and madness), Petrification and Poison Manipulation (Can easily do battle against Basilisk and Cockatrice, both of whom turn normal people into stone simply by being touched or looked at, and have a gaze and breath so poisonous that any mortal being near them instantly dies, turning their surroundings into a desert), Life and Death Manipulation (Can fight Liches, whose presence drains the life of those who see them, and is not affected by Balor's gaze, which instantly kills enemies, and Chatterskull's laughter, which dooms whoever hears it to death, immediately stopping their heart). Greatly improved Resistance to Cognition (Lavenza specially notes after the battle with Berserk Cendrillon that the Phantom Thieves' wills of rebellion have reached new heights)

how exactly Ren's attacks effect Asriel?

Megami Tensei characters have the ability to attack the Soul/Mind/Concept/Information of opponents on the 1-A level with their magic.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

you need to check the pages before you make a versus thread, it has to actually be fair based on the two characters profiles

 

[Ikelaggan]

Take a shot for how many matches Pizzabox492 makes without reading the profiles.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I wouldn't hold it against them. They're a new user. I know I made my fair share of stomp matches when I first joined.