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Alucard vs Supernatural verse
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Leviathans didn't seem very impressive tbh. Even ordinary humans could overpower them. Alucard tears their heads off with his bear hands and BFRs them.
Aside from Archangels, none of the other angels really have anything that can put Alucard down. Their showings aren't very impressive TBH.
Aside from Archangels, none of the other angels really have anything that can put Alucard down. Their showings aren't very impressive TBH.
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Which Alucard? Pre-EoS, he probably makes it up until the heaven entities, seeing as overwhelming amounts of holy energy is pretty much the only thing that can kill him, without him desiring it.
EoS Alucard really couldn't be killed by anything in Supernatural, to my knowledge. Granted, I don't really know the verse, but EoS Alucard lives because he believes himself to be living. Can't be killed until he decides he no longer exists. Though that hax only extends to himself. Doubt he could kill the high-tier supernatural people.
EoS Alucard really couldn't be killed by anything in Supernatural, to my knowledge. Granted, I don't really know the verse, but EoS Alucard lives because he believes himself to be living. Can't be killed until he decides he no longer exists. Though that hax only extends to himself. Doubt he could kill the high-tier supernatural people.
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It doesn't matter if they can overpower them. The Leviathans require a specific things to kill them. Simply ripping their heads off won't be enough.
The Angels are the exact same way, destroy the host, and the angel still remains.
EoS Alucard would stop at Lucifer, who would time-travel and prevent Vlad from ever becoming Alucard.
The Angels are the exact same way, destroy the host, and the angel still remains.
EoS Alucard would stop at Lucifer, who would time-travel and prevent Vlad from ever becoming Alucard.
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Eh. EoS Alucard is questionable. He exists because he believes he exists. Questionable if going back in time would stop him. Then again, I don't pretend to understand all of the things with time travel, and whatever you would classify Alucard's condition as.
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is alucard immune to getting possessed by demons or one-shot killed by angel-touch?
i hear that EoS alucard is omnipresent? but that doesntmean he can ill beings like lucifer or leviathans (who can only die if their leader gets killed by a specially created weapon)...
i hear that EoS alucard is omnipresent? but that doesntmean he can ill beings like lucifer or leviathans (who can only die if their leader gets killed by a specially created weapon)...
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EoS Alucard basically has the ultimate defense in being able to die only when he believes himself to no longer exist, or believes himself killable. It's a constant theme in Hellsing that he finds himself killable only by a mundane human. However, he doesn't have much attack power, other than some ridiculously oversized guns, and immense strength. People like lucifer - who I am assuming is god-tier - being able to kill Alucard are up to debate, with the schrondinger thing (EoS Alucard's condition of existence thing-y), but Alucard actually harming anyone in heaven is not particularly likely.
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^so at most a inconclusive, but does the shrödinger-power protect against possesion? because a fodder demon could be able to do it if it was possible and than imagine alucard kilable with a broken neck so that the host of his gets mortally wounded but the demon can leave whenever he wants :/
but i vote for inconclusive since i have no idea how it would work out (mostlikely god or darkness should be able to do something...maybe the trickster?)...
but i vote for inconclusive since i have no idea how it would work out (mostlikely god or darkness should be able to do something...maybe the trickster?)...
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I'll spring for inconclusive as well, I guess.
As for possession, I'dunno. On a different site, it was agreed that something like Dio's fleshbuds (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) would be able to affect Alucard, and that they would have a similiar effect to possession and forced suicide, but I find it questionable. Hard to do anything to a person whose sole existence is defined by what they believe. Simple enough matter to believe oneself unpossessed.
As for possession, I'dunno. On a different site, it was agreed that something like Dio's fleshbuds (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) would be able to affect Alucard, and that they would have a similiar effect to possession and forced suicide, but I find it questionable. Hard to do anything to a person whose sole existence is defined by what they believe. Simple enough matter to believe oneself unpossessed.
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^yeah, i would even say the demonix possession sounds more logical than the flesh bud, afterall if that works than even mind-affecting drugs should work which means that everyone who can inject alucard with something that opens his mind for suggestions could defeat him :/
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Alucard has prominent mind fuckery (possession is just a variant of mind fuckery) of his own. Demons arent possessing him. The angels havent smited anyone with Alucards durability, so that shouldnt be a problem. Alucard can devour them with Baskerville.GreatestSin said:
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^the thing angels do isnt really related to durability, the moment they touch a monster the eyes glow and than they die with burned eyes, going straight to purgotory, it is more of a hax than a AP-feat (and alucard is a vampire so the angel-touch should work)...
but even if not, there are still archangels and even if he doesnt, than there is god, eve, darkness and death who can at least be unkillable for alucard so a it is still a inconclusive
but even if not, there are still archangels and even if he doesnt, than there is god, eve, darkness and death who can at least be unkillable for alucard so a it is still a inconclusive
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I'm pretty sure God, Amara, Death, God Castiel and the Archangels can do anything they want with him.
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they mess around with the monsters soul (since their eyes glow and basically their entire brain is fried, the same happes if humans or unworthy beings meet archangels/angels real body) so durability doesnt really matter...ToAruFan said:
and i said alucard is surely affected since he is a vampire, it would be a case to case thingy :/
EDIT: but it doesnt need to be angels, archangels work too or death (which has the hax weapon that can kill anything even death itself), god/darkness/etc...
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Regular angels don't smite at a sub atomic level.Yes smiting is somewhat hax but it also has an AP value.
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GOD could kill him
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this is why i added archangels, god, death etcKkapoios said:
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General consenus is that EoS Alucard would make it to around God / Death level, before being stopped?
In other news, looked more into Supernatural, and apparently a soul is roughly equal to one hundred suns, with one of the god tier being killable by ten thousand super novas. Not entirely sure of the math, and too lazy to do it, but pre- EoS Alucard had millions of souls; Enough to take him 30 years to kill. Going by the one hundred suns rule, Alucard would be insanely powerful. So that's something.
In other news, looked more into Supernatural, and apparently a soul is roughly equal to one hundred suns, with one of the god tier being killable by ten thousand super novas. Not entirely sure of the math, and too lazy to do it, but pre- EoS Alucard had millions of souls; Enough to take him 30 years to kill. Going by the one hundred suns rule, Alucard would be insanely powerful. So that's something.
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^but every fiction handles "souls" differently, in other storys a person has only a single soul and still becomes incredible powerful :/
i doubt that a direct comparison would work, the same way as we cant say: X electro-manipulator from one verse > Y electro-manipulator from another verse because X used more voltage in his electrobeam than Y did, the feats are needed...
i doubt that a direct comparison would work, the same way as we cant say: X electro-manipulator from one verse > Y electro-manipulator from another verse because X used more voltage in his electrobeam than Y did, the feats are needed...
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1 soul = 100 suns is a hyperbole.
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^even if not, that equation only works in supernatural
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Wat
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Totally forgot about Cain, if Cain has the first Blade then he kills Alucard, otherwise it's a stalemate between the two and someone stronger like Death kills Alucard.
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I have my doubts about The First Blade killing Alucard if it's in the hands of Cain. The blade is powered by the mark. Without it it's about as useful as angel blade against EoS Alucard.Kkapoios said:
Besides I've realized that Alucard could probably devour everything but Angels and above in Supernatural. Though that's most likely nullified by that dang cat.
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Cain HAS the mark and can use the blade to its full potential.
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It was never said that it can kill death, it was said that it takes power from the Darkness so its AP should be at least on archangel level.
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I don't think Alucard can kill Cain but he can KO him so he can continue with the battles.It wouldn't be fair to call this inconclusive since there are characters that can defeat him.
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Ehh idk if it's possible to KO SPN demons. Their basically ghosts possessing human bodies. The only way to KO Cain would be to find a verse from the Bible to banish him. Which Alucard doesn't know how to do. (Besides its possible that banishing doesn't work on High Tier Demons in SPN)Kkapoios said:
