Alien X vs HA DIO

[StrymULTRA]

Pre-Absorption DIO is used, speed =

AX:

HA DIO:

Shulk:

 

[VinnyXD]

Oh following

 

[Rez]

Dio wins via time stop and EE I think .Does alien X has any counter for time stop if not then mine vote goes to dio

 

[Greenshifter]

^ Dio FRA, AX’s mindhax is too slow/doesn’t work. AX’s EE is OoC. Especially if it’s post-absorption Dio borderline stomps.

Also Rez he doesn’t have any time stop resistance, he can probably reverse time after the fact though (If Dio lacks the range to time stop the PD, which he might not) but I don’t think it matters here.

 

[Rikimarox2]

It is a stomp. This is post absorptions Dio per sba. And since Alien X's abilities are moot, its a stomp.

The only way that this is fair, is if you make both of them bloodlusted. And then, its gonna be an incon.

 

[Greenshifter]

I mean technically stomp or not does not depend on OoC or not, so if something isn’t a stomp when bloodlusted, then it’s also not a stomp in-character... at least usually, since it’s technically AX’s fault he doesn’t start with EE.

But yeah AX usually stomps, gets stomped or incons.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wait really? I thought if a character's only wincon is an out-of-characters move, the match will be deemed a stomp?

 

[Greenshifter]

The rules did change not that long ago so I’m not 100% how it’s treated but there’s a difference between a move that’s always OoC and something someone could feasibly do after a given amount of time. Ben and Bellicus are not necessarily against killing (in whatever fashion) after all.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It is a stomp. This is post absorptions Dio per sba.

Both Low 2-C

 

[Greenshifter]

“Each combatant's in-character mindset and tactics do not necessarily qualify or disqualify a match from being a stomp, and should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis when determining whether or not a match falls under said category. Generally speaking however, if a character in a match has to perform or use techniques in ways they have never shown to do in order to possibly win, the chances of that match being a stomp are quite high.”

Case-by-case, in this case I think using pre-absorption or bloodlust for AX is the best solution.

 

[Greenshifter]

From what I remember from Paradox vs Dio, his stand can heal Dio from almost everything AX can throw at him so both being low 2-C doesn’t mean it’s not a stomp.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Case-by-case, in this case I think using pre-absorption or bloodlust for AX is the best solution.

Done

 

[Greenshifter]

K, thanks. Someone should call Chariot immediately this time. Not in the mood to debate for 3 pages, almost get the W for AX, only for Chariot to pop up and go “Nope” and debunk all of his wincons in a single message,

 

[FRIMI]

So when Dio stops time, that effects the whole universe I would assume. How would that interact with things like pocket universes or parallel universes, etc?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So when Dio stops time, that effects the whole universe I would assume. How would that interact with things like pocket universes or parallel universes, etc?

DIO has 2-A range via EE

 

[Greenshifter]

I mean range on his EE doesn’t matter here as much as range on his time stop. Since if AX’s PD isn’t affected he should be able to reverse time during the time stop to before Dio stops time.

 

[FRIMI]

or even AS Dio time stops

 

[manu_zarri]

Time Stop should affect at least the body, but not the mind

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean range on his EE doesn’t matter here as much as range on his time stop. Since if AX’s PD isn’t affected he should be able to reverse time during the time stop to before Dio stops time.

Doesen't it need to move his arms to do so?

 

[Greenshifter]

AX’s RW-related abilities should be at least wave-based. Bellicus and Serena were gonna bring back the dinosaurs (or prevent them from going extinct after the fact) as a literal stream of DNA on another planet in another solar system.

 

[StrymULTRA]

AX’s RW-related abilities should be at least wave-based. Bellicus and Serena were gonna bring back the dinosaurs (or prevent them from going extinct) as a literal stream of DNA.

The problem is that to rewind time AX had to use his arms tho

 

[Greenshifter]

You are arguing that a stream of DNA would have to use it’s arms to manipulate the past then. Alien X used his arms, doesn’t mean he has to.

 

[FRIMI]

a stream of DNA doesn't even have muscle mass. It can't move without any outside influence. The only way for it to affect the world would be from the mind

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well, shit.

Thing is, can the wave travel in the stopped time?

 

[FRIMI]

and that thing that it intended to be was either creation or to influence past events

 

[Greenshifter]

Alien X can change the very nature of space and time, the wave is targeting and manipulating the very thing that’s supposed to stop it so that ain’t gonna work.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alien X can change the very nature of space and time, the wave is targeting and manipulating the very thing that’s supposed to stop it so that ain’t gonna work.

How's that useful against a TS which already bypasses resistance and Infinite Speed?

 

[FRIMI]

tbh I'm not entirely sure what the nature of the wave thing is, but Serena was trying to act from within Alien X's Pocket Universe mind in such a way that would either count as creation or the manipulation of past events depending on interpretation. Not sure if that helps

 

[Greenshifter]

How's that useful against a TS which already bypasses resistance and Infinite Speed?

Speed equal? You may have a point though, didn’t think that far, I’m not entirely sure if it matters but it might, since time reverse is usually treated as a better power than time stop. Although recently I got a similar counter-argument, but it was related to immeasurable speed time stop so i’m not really sure myself anymore.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Speed equal? You may have a point though, didn’t think that far, I’m not entirely sure if it matters but it might, since time reverse is usually treated as a better power than time stop. Although recently I got a similar counter-argument, but it was related to immeasurable speed time stop so i’m not really sure myself anymore.

SBA makes the speed the highest one between the 2 iirc, but there's also the resistance thing.

 

[FRIMI]

so to clarify, What does Dio do while time is stopped?

 

[StrymULTRA]

so to clarify, What does Dio do while time is stopped?

Corrupts, EEs or Soul Absorbs

 

[FRIMI]

how does soul absorption work?

 

[Greenshifter]

SBA makes the speed the highest one between

Actually lowest.

 

[StrymULTRA]

how does soul absorption work?

He basically showed to pull them from the body using an aura which he can emit.

Actually lowest.

Well, his RW can still mess with 4D since it can corrupt people across multiple eras, plus the TS still bypasses resistance.

 

[FRIMI]

I have doubts soul absorption would work, but the other two probably would

 

[FRIMI]

Actually lowest.

I love the idea of some relatively powerful but haxless character like Saitama being in a fight with like a tree but speed is equalized so they're both just immobile

 

[StrymULTRA]

I have doubts soul absorption would work, but the other two probably would

All of his abilities have 2-A range, his BFR and EE have such, so there's no reason to assume the non-TS abilities don't.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I love the idea of some relatively powerful but haxless character like Saitama being in a fight with like a tree but speed is equalized so they're both just immobile

Trees can still move via growth

 

[Greenshifter]

I love the idea of some relatively powerful but haxless character like Saitama being in a fight with like a tree but speed is equalized so they're both just immobile

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