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Alien X (And others) downgrade
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Too much heartbreak is going on Ever, I can't take much more ;-;
On a side note, is the speed infinite because it was implied to be in a place where there was no time? That would be an immeasurable rating, and more so if it's out of sync by an untold amount.
On a side note, is the speed infinite because it was implied to be in a place where there was no time? That would be an immeasurable rating, and more so if it's out of sync by an untold amount.
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It just means "out of sync" as it's not in the same time as the rest of the universe.
Refer to my previous example with the Daleks.
Also, if there is no time, that's still not Immeasurable.
It just means "out of sync" as it's not in the same time as the rest of the universe.
Refer to my previous example with the Daleks.
Also, if there is no time, that's still not Immeasurable.
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Ah okay. Then yes I agree completely. Idk know why time reversal was counted as a feat at all.
Ah okay. Then yes I agree completely. Idk know why time reversal was counted as a feat at all.
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I still wholeheartedly agree with Ever.
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Simple. The Daleks took a section of space and temporally displaced it so it always existed one second in the future. It's basically what the Forge of Creation has.
I'm pretty sure it's been agreed that movement without time = infinite and movement without time or space = immeasurable.
Regardless, nothing implies the Forge of Creation has no flow of time.
I'm pretty sure it's been agreed that movement without time = infinite and movement without time or space = immeasurable.
Regardless, nothing implies the Forge of Creation has no flow of time.
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Oh, gotcha. And I was saying that on the statement earlier that out of sync with time was being implied to have no time.
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Since this is very obviously unanimous should the downgrades now take place?
I mean we have a large group of people who agree with this, 12 of them all LITERALLY staff members. Unless there's something else to downgrade too I don't see what else is left to discuss.
I mean we have a large group of people who agree with this, 12 of them all LITERALLY staff members. Unless there's something else to downgrade too I don't see what else is left to discuss.
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This downgrade was a bigger stomp than Goku beating Superman. :^)
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Yeah that was addressed before. There's no way of knowing if it's either 3-A or Low 2-C.
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why wouldn't it be PIS though? if ben 10k had just went alien x and restored everything then there would be no two parter.
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@Reppuzan ok,then what about the changing the designs of the whole franchise feat? and also,since the chronosapien time bomb was either created by or at the very least based of off chronosapiens,does this mean
chronosapiens>celestialsapiens ?
chronosapiens>celestialsapiens ?
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sorry,should've been clearer about that.there's this feat where the celestialsapiens were the cause of the design changes throughout the series.
so the chronosapiens made a time bomb that is more powerful than their own time manip and celestialsapiens(?)
so the chronosapiens made a time bomb that is more powerful than their own time manip and celestialsapiens(?)
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1) I don't know if that's quantifiable.
2) It's entirely possible for a civilization to create weapons more powerful than anything its people can do individually. The same way we humans have created nuclear bombs and the Galvans created the Omnitrix, the Chronosapiens created an extremely powerful multi-universal time bomb.
2) It's entirely possible for a civilization to create weapons more powerful than anything its people can do individually. The same way we humans have created nuclear bombs and the Galvans created the Omnitrix, the Chronosapiens created an extremely powerful multi-universal time bomb.
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So overall, our planned downgrades are:
- Place the Celestialsapiens at At least Low 2-C and Massively FTL+.
- Remove Clockwork/Maltruant's 2-A Time Manipulation.
- Keep the Chronosapien Time Bomb and Chrono Navigator at 2-A, but change their reasoning a bit to include the link I gave at the beginning of the thread.
- Upgrade Atomic-X to scale to Alien X.
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Should we also place a note specifying not to scale Alien X to the bomb?
Given the messy process in the past TO upgrade him in the first place and now having to downgrade him again, it might be a good idea just so no one else will try to upgrade him via the bomb.
Given the messy process in the past TO upgrade him in the first place and now having to downgrade him again, it might be a good idea just so no one else will try to upgrade him via the bomb.
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It's too vague. We have absolutely no idea on whether or not it's Low 2-C or 3-A. For all we know it can very likely be even weaker than Alien X.
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Great Rep.
How should we word it however?
How should we word it however?
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That looks fine.
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Perfect, looks great.
Who's going to make the changes?
Who's going to make the changes?
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So this thread can finally be closed?
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What about the fights Alien X had from when he was 2-A should they be removed or do they stay?
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The only times Atomic-X was beaten was
1) By Maltruant, which is complete and utter PIS given that Chronosapiens are known to be physically weaker than other alien races, particularly those as powerful as Celestialsapiens.
2) The Chronosapien Time Bomb, which is already far beyond Alien X's best feats anyways.
The only times Atomic-X was beaten was
1) By Maltruant, which is complete and utter PIS given that Chronosapiens are known to be physically weaker than other alien races, particularly those as powerful as Celestialsapiens.
2) The Chronosapien Time Bomb, which is already far beyond Alien X's best feats anyways.
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Atomic-X shouldn't scale to Alien X, he was never shown to be at the same level as Alien X and it's a fact that fusion aliens are weaker then what they would be by themselves.
Unless Atomic-X recreated a universe like Alien X he shouldn't scale
Unless Atomic-X recreated a universe like Alien X he shouldn't scale
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"and it's a fact that fusion aliens are weaker then what they would be by themselves."
When? The only time I can recall that being a thing was with the original series, but those were glitched fusions caused by the Omnitrix's casing being removed. Atomic-X is a byproduct of an Omnitrix specifically designed to fuse aliens.
When? The only time I can recall that being a thing was with the original series, but those were glitched fusions caused by the Omnitrix's casing being removed. Atomic-X is a byproduct of an Omnitrix specifically designed to fuse aliens.
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