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Alice (SMT) vs A God of Destruction
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You linked to the wrong alice.
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Fixed.
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Dang...
I'll be back with a reply in a few. I'll try and make it lengthy.
I'll be back with a reply in a few. I'll try and make it lengthy.
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Doesnt matter much but 2 small questions.
First, is Nemesis starting out as Proto or Diablo?
Second, is this winner by KO, Death, etc.?
First, is Nemesis starting out as Proto or Diablo?
Second, is this winner by KO, Death, etc.?
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The Nemesis with better absorption which I assume is Proto.
Winner is by death, KO and incapacitation
Winner is by death, KO and incapacitation
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Nah both have the same absorbtion hax, just that Proto is an incomplete form of Nemesis, like a newborn baby and uses it to fully revive as Diablo.
And kk to the second question. Will begin responding now.
And kk to the second question. Will begin responding now.
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Okay. After thinking this matchup over, I am actually going to go with Rago and Nemesis on this one. Please forgive my ignorance due to not knowing Alice but based on their pages here's why I believe Nemesis wins it for Rago.
First, it's debatable but making bey regen feats mid-godly for arguments sake would imply Nemesis could have a chance at killing her given it stomped the living crud out of L-Drago and several other Legendary Blader beys to the point where they couldn't continue fighting (their bey spirits were in-tact, but not for combat, hence why they were given to Gingka and Pegasus who could continue fighting). But this is debatable and it isn't the main reasoning for my vote so i'll leave it at this.
Second, Nemesis appears to have a FAR better versatility hax arsenal than Alice. With having the powers of all beyblades, Nemesis can pull off hell of a lot of combos to pull a fast one over Alice. Even with just his own hax, Nemesis could simply absorb her soul and/or herself, Nemesis's power absorption would take not only her strength and abilities for itself, but also any other Low 2-C's shes fought with in SMT (IF any, otherwise just her), destroy her soul via lacking resistance to neither soul manip or durability negating, Nemesis's passive barrier around itself can defend against a lot of what Alice can pull off, bind her with telekinesis, use mind and emotion manip on via her lacking resistance to either one, Nemesis's precog would allow him to see pretty much all of what she'd do (and his precog can go as far as at least thousands of years), likely has intangibility if its in God of Destruction form with Rago so that stops some stuff, Nemesis at least has the powers of the Legendary Bladers here so it can replicate darker versions of their beys spirit forms to use as weapons meaning Alice has like 11 more opponents (also having their regens) for her to get by before even facing Nemesis himself too. And this isn't even factoring in all bey abilities, which spreads out Nemesis's hax arsenal to ridiculous degrees.
Third, Nemesis's stamina would drastically outlast Alice's in this battle. Her stamina is only high in the superhuman range. Nemesis alone is a stamina type beyblade so that already gives him high levels of stamina and with powers of Yu's Libra and Chris's Orion at its dispoal, Nemesis not only has a limitless supply of stamina but can also drain away at Alice's until she's unable to fight anymore.
The only things I see Alice could hit Nemesis with (assuming it doesnt get them itself first) is her Probability manip, which shouldnt do much when its only used to increase the chances for her attacks instead of decreasing Nemesis's chances of using his stuff. Her stat boosting might have some effect, but even if it did, any debuffs against Nemesis can be easily restored via its Centrifugal force manip, which in the Beyblade verse is literal energy that increases all stats on a bey.
TLDR: My vote is for Nemesis and, unless someone could explain more for Alice, quite handily for him and Rago too.
First, it's debatable but making bey regen feats mid-godly for arguments sake would imply Nemesis could have a chance at killing her given it stomped the living crud out of L-Drago and several other Legendary Blader beys to the point where they couldn't continue fighting (their bey spirits were in-tact, but not for combat, hence why they were given to Gingka and Pegasus who could continue fighting). But this is debatable and it isn't the main reasoning for my vote so i'll leave it at this.
Second, Nemesis appears to have a FAR better versatility hax arsenal than Alice. With having the powers of all beyblades, Nemesis can pull off hell of a lot of combos to pull a fast one over Alice. Even with just his own hax, Nemesis could simply absorb her soul and/or herself, Nemesis's power absorption would take not only her strength and abilities for itself, but also any other Low 2-C's shes fought with in SMT (IF any, otherwise just her), destroy her soul via lacking resistance to neither soul manip or durability negating, Nemesis's passive barrier around itself can defend against a lot of what Alice can pull off, bind her with telekinesis, use mind and emotion manip on via her lacking resistance to either one, Nemesis's precog would allow him to see pretty much all of what she'd do (and his precog can go as far as at least thousands of years), likely has intangibility if its in God of Destruction form with Rago so that stops some stuff, Nemesis at least has the powers of the Legendary Bladers here so it can replicate darker versions of their beys spirit forms to use as weapons meaning Alice has like 11 more opponents (also having their regens) for her to get by before even facing Nemesis himself too. And this isn't even factoring in all bey abilities, which spreads out Nemesis's hax arsenal to ridiculous degrees.
Third, Nemesis's stamina would drastically outlast Alice's in this battle. Her stamina is only high in the superhuman range. Nemesis alone is a stamina type beyblade so that already gives him high levels of stamina and with powers of Yu's Libra and Chris's Orion at its dispoal, Nemesis not only has a limitless supply of stamina but can also drain away at Alice's until she's unable to fight anymore.
The only things I see Alice could hit Nemesis with (assuming it doesnt get them itself first) is her Probability manip, which shouldnt do much when its only used to increase the chances for her attacks instead of decreasing Nemesis's chances of using his stuff. Her stat boosting might have some effect, but even if it did, any debuffs against Nemesis can be easily restored via its Centrifugal force manip, which in the Beyblade verse is literal energy that increases all stats on a bey.
TLDR: My vote is for Nemesis and, unless someone could explain more for Alice, quite handily for him and Rago too.
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Ok I'll explain Alice:
SMT Demons and Gods are totally Immortal and will dependably resuscitate as long as the conviction or general thought of them exists all through the multiverse, and can even survive even after all people in the multiverse are obliterated. There are even cases of them being reawakened from nonexistence erasure. As an evil spirit, Alice's actual form is that of a conceptual element of thought, and not a physical or spiritual being. The laws of physics don't have any significant bearing to Alice, and she has endless stamina. She can buff her own particular power and debuff Nemesis' energy to the point where she could rearrange a Stomp, making somebody substantially more powerful than her all of a sudden weaker than her while she turns out to be fundamentally more powerful herself. She can cast "Die for Me" which is an instantaneous instant-death spell, and utilize Almighty Spell assaults which bypass every single normal protection and safeguards. She can also bypass Mid-Godly.
SMT Demons and Gods are totally Immortal and will dependably resuscitate as long as the conviction or general thought of them exists all through the multiverse, and can even survive even after all people in the multiverse are obliterated. There are even cases of them being reawakened from nonexistence erasure. As an evil spirit, Alice's actual form is that of a conceptual element of thought, and not a physical or spiritual being. The laws of physics don't have any significant bearing to Alice, and she has endless stamina. She can buff her own particular power and debuff Nemesis' energy to the point where she could rearrange a Stomp, making somebody substantially more powerful than her all of a sudden weaker than her while she turns out to be fundamentally more powerful herself. She can cast "Die for Me" which is an instantaneous instant-death spell, and utilize Almighty Spell assaults which bypass every single normal protection and safeguards. She can also bypass Mid-Godly.
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Okay my bad. Her page seems to be somewhat outdated then?
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Pretty much.
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Given that some of your points were accurate anyway, vote still counted.
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Kk. I'll add some altered points below for others to read:
With new info this changes things a bit lol. Nemesis definitely isnt killing her for good so 1st paragraph can be forgotten. However, Im still gonna go with Nemesis.
Libra's stamina absorption wouldnt work now but Nemesis still has Centrifugal Force buffing and several beys stamina abilities, like Phantom Orion's, to still give him limtless stamina to battle with. Plus, as far as energy goes, Nemesis actually has resistance to that stuff too since even L-Drago couldnt drain and absorb Nemesis's power out of it when it was still Proto, so Diablo is even worse. Meaning in the end, her stat debuffs wouldnt work.
'Die for me" also kind of wouldnt work since, well, Nemesis is a spinning piece of sentient metal. And when in its spirit form(s) death doesn't really apply to them me thinks.
Almighty spell bypassing Nemesis's shields i'll concede on, but bypassing Mid-Godly is a different case. Nemesis doesn't just have a single spirit for itself. When becoming Diablo Nemesis, it obtains dark versions of the spirit forms of all the Legendary Blader beys (like Pegasus, L-Drago, Leone, Sagitario, etc.) and, taking it this far, all beys in the world. Meaning Nemesis has a huge load of bey spirits, who also have the same regen, to its name and Nemesis's form is a fusion comprised of those spirits. And I doubt Alice would have the firepower to keep bypassing each and everyone as the fight goes on.
With new info this changes things a bit lol. Nemesis definitely isnt killing her for good so 1st paragraph can be forgotten. However, Im still gonna go with Nemesis.
Libra's stamina absorption wouldnt work now but Nemesis still has Centrifugal Force buffing and several beys stamina abilities, like Phantom Orion's, to still give him limtless stamina to battle with. Plus, as far as energy goes, Nemesis actually has resistance to that stuff too since even L-Drago couldnt drain and absorb Nemesis's power out of it when it was still Proto, so Diablo is even worse. Meaning in the end, her stat debuffs wouldnt work.
'Die for me" also kind of wouldnt work since, well, Nemesis is a spinning piece of sentient metal. And when in its spirit form(s) death doesn't really apply to them me thinks.
Almighty spell bypassing Nemesis's shields i'll concede on, but bypassing Mid-Godly is a different case. Nemesis doesn't just have a single spirit for itself. When becoming Diablo Nemesis, it obtains dark versions of the spirit forms of all the Legendary Blader beys (like Pegasus, L-Drago, Leone, Sagitario, etc.) and, taking it this far, all beys in the world. Meaning Nemesis has a huge load of bey spirits, who also have the same regen, to its name and Nemesis's form is a fusion comprised of those spirits. And I doubt Alice would have the firepower to keep bypassing each and everyone as the fight goes on.
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