Aizen should be more powerful than Ichigo

[JohnCenaNation]

Look at the colored scan, it shows Yhwach bleeding. If you wanna make a statement like that, be informed of what the opposition's reasoning is and do some basic research.

That's not bleeding, it's his reiatsu, because after that attack was made, he was completely unharmed without any sign of injuries.

 

[HST_Master]

That's not bleeding, it's his reiatsu, because after that attack was made, he was completely unharmed without any sign of injuries.

You're trying to say his reiatsu is red and not black like always.....what?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

That is bleeding. Dark red substance coming form the area that was just hit by an attack tends to be blood. Claiming its reiatsu is also completely false since Ichigo's GRC was purple and Yhwach's cloak was black.

Unharmed because he used the Almighty. Its like you don't even know what his most spammed ability is.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

That is bleeding. Dark red substance coming form the area that was just hit by an attack tends to be blood. Claiming its reiatsu is also completely false since Ichigo's GRC was purple and Yhwach's cloak was black.
Unharmed because he used the Almighty. Its like you don't even know what his most spammed ability is.

So you are impying that a stronger attack is barely able to gaze him, and a weaker attack is supposed to bisect him in half?

 

[HST_Master]

>A stronger attack

Prove it's stronger. Because Bankai Ichigo >>> Merged State Ichigo

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Weaker attack when? If you are referring to Ichigo using GT in Bankai, his Bankai makes Hollow merge look like fodder without even using GT.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

>A stronger attack
Prove it's stronger. Because Bankai Ichigo >>> Merged State Ichigo

Merged Hollow Blut Vene Ichigo > a weakened fatigue power losed Bankai Ichigo.

Bankai is only a 10x multiplier by itself, but Merged Hollow Blut Vene is a times 20x multiplier.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

>Sees multiplier argument

And now I'm done with this blatant stupidity. Stick around if ya want @Hst but I advise just leaving like I am.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

>Sees multiplier argument
And now I'm done with this blatant stupidity. Stick around if ya want @Hst but I advise just leaving like I am.

Yoruichi stated that Bankai is only a 5x to 10x multiplier by itself in the manga....

 

[HST_Master]

Merged Hollow Blut Vene Ichigo > a weakened fatigue power losed Bankai Ichigo.

Bankai is only a 10x multiplier by itself, but Merged Hollow Blut Vene is a times 20x multiplier.

Prove it. Cuz that's just throwing numbers. And Bankai multiplier that's contradicted consistently? really? Also Blut Vene is defensive lol it doesn't give a attack boost and Ichigo didn't use it in the final fights due to not being able to properly use his Quincy powers.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Merged Hollow Blut Vene Ichigo > a weakened fatigue power losed Bankai Ichigo.
Bankai is only a 10x multiplier by itself, but Merged Hollow Blut Vene is a times 20x multiplier.

Prove it. Cuz that's just throwing numbers. And Bankai multiplier that's contradicted consistently? really? Also Blut Vene is defensive lol it doesn't give a attack boost and Ichigo didn't use it in the final fights due to not being able to properly use his Quincy powers.
Because his Hollow powers is more dominant in nature than this Shinigami powers, and what do you mean by he didn't use his Quincy powers? Look how the color of his Zanpakuto changed.

 

[HST_Master]

And now I'm done. Have fun trolling.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

And now I'm done. Have fun trolling.

Just because he hasn't yet mastered it, it doesn't mean he can't use his Quincy powers.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

"He can't" doesn't translate to "he will" or "he did". You still need proof he did use it.

You also need proof for that Bankai statement to mean something at all, if it wasn't contradicted literal loads of times. Go around and ask what we think around here about SSJ2 and 3 multipliers, which is more or less the same thing, "they make no sense". So no, that's an empty statement.

You also need to prove that was Reiatsu and not blood, despite the fact it's not the color of his Reiatsu, it's coincidentally coming out of a wounded place, is coincidentally the color of blood, and someone "oozing" Reiatsu from a wound has never been a thing for anyone, Yhwach included.

You are free to prove all your claims, because "he can" is not proof. Is an statement with no backing.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

"He can't" doesn't translate to "he will" or "he did". You still need proof he did use it.
You also need proof for that Bankai statement to mean something at all, if it wasn't contradicted literal loads of times. Go around and ask what we think around here about SSJ2 and 3 multipliers, which is more or less the same thing, "they make no sense". So no, that's an empty statement.

You also need to prove that was Reiatsu and not blood, despite the fact it's not the color of his Reiatsu, it's coincidentally coming out of a wounded place, is coincidentally the color of blood, and someone "oozing" Reiatsu from a wound has never been a thing for anyone, Yhwach included.

You are free to prove all your claims, because "he can" is not proof. Is an statement with no backing.

And what's preventing Aizen from using Kanzen Saimin to mindfuck Yhwach or Ichigo before decapitating them? I mean the only you are escaping Kanzen Saimin is by getting stabbed by the damn zanpakuto.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Is this your way to argue he's... stronger I guess? You still make no sense.

He has hax, very good hax, that can affect them and a means to hurt them. That still doesn't suddenly boost his AP or endurance to their level.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Is this your way to argue he's... stronger I guess? You still make no sense.
He has hax, very good hax, that can affect them and a means to hurt them. That still doesn't suddenly boost his AP or endurance to their level.

If Bankai can increase your AP/DP, why can't Shikai do the same thing? Also, that wasn't completely unsealed Aizen that fought against Soul King Yhwach, he still had his bindings with him since one of his eyes was still covered. Let's not forget that he didn't even use his Bankai, nor did he had the Hogyoku powers with him. If Aizen wasn't sealed away during the timeskip, imagine how much powerful he would have been. So yeah, Aizen is the most powerful character in Bleach verse.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

You are both making no sense and going nowhere. Nobody is saying Shikai doesn't increase AP. but until we see Aizen directly showing he's stronger when activating Kyoka Suigetsu, he gets nothing. A purely mental ability won't increase his AP, Shinji's purely mental ability doesn't increase AP, and Kyoraku's games don't lend him more AP unless it follows the rules of one of his games, but considering those are Hax and not him getting boosted because the rules apply to everyone else, still doesn't matter.

Not completely unsealed Aizen? Because one eye was covered? Sure, show where it's even remotely implied his power isn't at full still. And his Bankai doesn't matter exactly because he didn't use it, so it's all speculation that leads nowhere.

So we should downscale Ichigo below Aizen because... Aizen could potentially be stronger than him if he wasn't sealed, despite the fact that doesn't change the fact he's presently weaker. Or that Aizen's Reiatsu actually grew stronger despite doing nothing, while Ichigo quite literally did nothing but be a human for all that time. And where Aizen explicitly got stronger, Ichigo merely unlocked his actual power and nothing indicates he couldn't have improved after this. Of course this doesn't matter, as Aizen remains weaker than Ichigo by feats, and you've brought nothing but statements without backing.

 

[HST_Master]

Don't even bother man. He's already admitted he's downplaying characters he dislikes in another thread.

 

[Naeblis495]

You are both making no sense and going nowhere. Nobody is saying Shikai doesn't increase AP. but until we see Aizen directly showing he's stronger when activating Kyoka Suigetsu, he gets nothing. A purely mental ability won't increase his AP, Shinji's purely mental ability doesn't increase AP, and Kyoraku's games don't lend him more AP unless it follows the rules of one of his games, but considering those are Hax and not him getting boosted because the rules apply to everyone else, still doesn't matter.
Not completely unsealed Aizen? Because one eye was covered? Sure, show where it's even remotely implied his power isn't at full still. And his Bankai doesn't matter exactly because he didn't use it, so it's all speculation that leads nowhere.

So we should downscale Ichigo below Aizen because... Aizen could potentially be stronger than him if he wasn't sealed, despite the fact that doesn't change the fact he's presently weaker. Or that Aizen's Reiatsu actually grew stronger despite doing nothing, while Ichigo quite literally did nothing but be a human for all that time. And where Aizen explicitly got stronger, Ichigo merely unlocked his actual power and nothing indicates he couldn't have improved after this. Of course this doesn't matter, as Aizen remains weaker than Ichigo by feats, and you've brought nothing but statements without backing.

yeah , it doesn't matter than a bankai alone can take multiple years of training just to master it and if we consider that ichigo 's powers are a mix of hollow , shinigami and quincy , who know how many years it could take for him to truly hit his peak strengh.


but nah aizen is definitly stronger because.... well just because he is aizen apparently .

 

[AppleLord]

@JohnCenaNation can't see that Yhwach has Regenerationn on his profile? A wound from Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshō could had easily been heal since he healed his wounds before in the battle against Ichibei. (Stab to the heart twice, wounds on his throat, and Ichigo's Reiatsu burning Yhwach's arm.)