Afterlife changes for Dragon ball (Dragon ball downgrade)

[Alexander]

Yes but the real reason why Goku wasn't able to locate namek was because he didn't knew where it was located the moment king Kai told him where to look at he was able to teleport there instantly

remind you, Goku was still able to locate the planet of king kai, even when he was sleeping (so his ki was low to the point that it was basically at the level of a human)

Huh? The scan states about how Goku and gohan being separated and Goku was in afterlife while gohan was in living universe and the scan states how they are separated by space and time are you serious? Ofc it would be about afterlife and living universe

it is the saiyan saga right?well it gets contradicted by having Goku taking 6 months to travel all the snake way, then like 5 months of training, then taking more than 3 hours to travel all snake way...in the same arc.

"Come from a tree." is the most important part of the the concept, and besides, if they came from apples that came from the tree, they still came from the tree. You're hair splitting.

but it is still different.

You still have yet to explain why the limit on ki sensing means IT cannot cross dimensions. You're are wating everyone's time with circular arguements and stone walling.

because the ki sensing can't sense others across dimensions, and it never did it.

The more I read Alex's arguments, the more I realize he knows that he is wrong, and he is just arguing for the sake of arguing, aka Stonewalling.
He doesn't know the Vsbw Standards and discards them, he discards accepted guidebooks without even giving evidence for why they are invalid besides "I said so", he discards every statement in the anime and manga, or tries to. He keeps repeating the same arguments without even adding proof.
Mods, he is clearly stonewalling, this is waste of time. It should be closed and a discussion rule should be implemented so this entire mockery doesn't happen again.

Daizenshuu:

It should be noted that although Akira Toriyama is listed as the author for all of the Daizenshuu, he actually had very little involvement with the production of their content, if any at all. Toriyama makes it quite clear in most of his Daizenshuu introductions that “they” (Shueisha, Caramel Mama, etc.) are responsible for putting these together, and he is often graciously humble in thanking them for all their hard work in sorting through his exhaustive series.

toriyama:

This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job. I’m ridiculously forgetful, so despite being the author, there’s lots of stuff even I don’t know anymore. It was often quite a nuisance, and I think having this encyclopedia around when the series was still running would have really helped me out. Darn it all.

Anyway, my thanks to the staff, and to all Dragon Ball fans.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

remind you, Goku was still able to locate the planet of king kai, even when he was sleeping (so his ki was low to the point that it was basically at the level of a human)

it is the saiyan saga right?well it gets contradicted by having Goku taking 6 months to travel all the snake way, then like 5 months of training, then taking more than 3 hours to travel all snake way...in the same arc.

but it is still different.

because the ki sensing can't sense others across dimensions, and it never did it.

Daizenshuu:

toriyama:

I like how you list the scan where it says that Toriyama considers the guidebooks useful and implies they are more knowledgeable than himself.

I also like the part where you continue to stonewall by not backing up your assertions. 'Ki sensing can't sense across dimensions' except it can and has multiple times and the HTC having a specific trait to its dimension that hinders ki sensing doesn't at all mean that applies to every other dimension.

"But it's still different" not in any meaningful way.

 

[Killerdrone123]

remind you, Goku was still able to locate the planet of king kai, even when he was sleeping (so his ki was low to the point that it was basically at the level of a human)

I think I explained this already he is familiar with both king Kai ki and location of king Kai planet than new namek I am not going to repeat it also prove that king Kai ki drops significantly when he is sleeping

it is the saiyan saga right?well it gets contradicted by having Goku taking 6 months to travel all the snake way, then like 5 months of training, then taking more than 3 hours to travel all snake way...in the same arc.

This is not a contradiction to the statement at all I think everyone has already told you why there can be similar time flow in different space times

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

This is already three pages and no actual arguments have been made that weren't addressed in the first page.

I'm not going to engage in the stone walling any further and just wait for the mods to close this.

 

[Alexander]

I like how you list the scan where it says that Toriyama considers the guidebooks useful and implies they are more knowledgeable than himself.

the same guides that also say that he is just humble, it is just for respect

I also like the part where you continue to stonewall by not backing up your assertions. 'Ki sensing can't sense across dimensions' except it can and has multiple times and the HTC having a specific trait to its dimension that hinders ki sensing doesn't at all mean that applies to every other dimension.

and i have not seen proof of any other dimension being like HTC in the sense that it hinders the ki sensing, it just seems to be a quality for dimensions in DB in general.

,"But it's still different" not in any meaningful way.

yes, in a very very meaningful way, yes Bardock is still a saiyan, but Bardock cares for his sons and loves his wife.

I think I explained this already he is familiar with both king Kai ki and location of king Kai planet than new namek I am not going to repeat it also prove that king Kai ki drops significantly when he is sleeping

if someone lowers their ki, they will be weaker (also it is pretty much shown that they don't always use their at all times 24/7)

This is not a contradiction to the statement at all I think everyone has already told you why there can be similar time flow in different space times

yes it is, different spaces times need to have different space and different time, not the same, that makes no sense (it already makes no sense, but this already makes no sense)

 

[Shar122]

which again, it is limited because Goku needs to sense Ki, like it is directly stated that he needs to sense it.

more like, for whatever the user can detect (Gas has it...he had the same problem)

You're not addressing my argument at all, you're just dismissing it and being disingenuous. The Instant transmission isn't the radar, the Ki sensing is, second of all, IT Is the technique that isn't limited to the notion of distance in the universe, the Only thing "limited" here is the Ki sensing.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

the same guides that also say that he is just humble, it is just for respect

and i have not seen proof of any other dimension being like HTC in the sense that it hinders the ki sensing, it just seems to be a quality for dimensions in DB in general.

yes, in a very very meaningful way, yes Bardock is still a saiyan, but Bardock cares for his sons and loves his wife.

if someone lowers their ki, they will be weaker (also it is pretty much shown that they don't always use their at all times 24/7)

yes it is, different spaces times need to have different space and different time, not the same, that makes no sense (it already makes no sense, but this already makes no sense)

These are all nothing arguments.

 

[Executor_N0]

If they both share the same flow of time, then they're both in the same space and time. The argument for the two being different spaces and times is that they have different spaces and times, not the same ones, and the problem is again, the series is constantly making you clear that they both share the same time flow, and that the afterlife is just above the universe, not another space and time.

That is not how separated space-times are judged in this Wiki's system.

The idea is, and have always been, that two "space-times" are considered separated if they do not share all space-time coordinates in at least one direction.

To give examples using 2D planes

You can have two planes that are parallel to each other, they share the same dimensions in two directions (The ones that are non-zero in measure for the planes), but they are separated for having at least one direction (The position of the planes in the third spatial axis) that differs in the two.

Two universes can have the exact same flow of time and the same exact dimensions, as long as there's no continuity in one dimension that leads to access to all points in the other plane, they are considered separated for the proposes of the Tiering system.

 

[Alexander]

You're not addressing my argument at all, you're just dismissing it and being disingenuous. The Instant transmission isn't the radar, the Ki sensing is, second of all, IT Is the technique that isn't limited to the notion of distance in the universe, the Only thing "limited" here is the Ki sensing.

which again, it is shown to be limited.

These are all nothing arguments.

0 is nothing.

That is not how separated space-times are judged in this Wiki's system.

The idea is, and have always been, that two "space-times" are considered separated if they do not share all space-time coordinates in at least one direction.

To give examples using 2D planes

You can have two planes that are parallel to each other, they share the same dimensions in two directions (The ones that are non-zero in measure for the planes), but they are separated for having at least one direction (The position of the planes in the third spatial axis) that differs in the two.

Two universes can have the exact same flow of time and the same exact dimensions, as long as there's no continuity in one dimension that leads to access to all points in the other plane, they are considered separated for the proposes of the Tiering system.

to be honest that makes no sense at all, then they are not space-time in anyway, they are just two different location in the universe (unless the afterlife works like you explain me)

 

[Killerdrone123]

the same guides that also say that he is just humble, it is just for respect

and i have not seen proof of any other dimension being like HTC in the sense that it hinders the ki sensing, it just seems to be a quality for dimensions in DB in general.

yes, in a very very meaningful way, yes Bardock is still a saiyan, but Bardock cares for his sons and loves his wife.

if someone lowers their ki, they will be weaker (also it is pretty much shown that they don't always use their at all times 24/7)

yes it is, different spaces times need to have different space and different time, not the same, that makes no sense (it already makes no sense, but this already makes no sense)

1)No you need to actively lower it prove that king Kai lowered his ki

2)they can have similar time flow arguments are getting repetitive again and again I am not engaging any further

 

[Alexander]

1)No you need to actively lower it prove that king Kai lowered his ki

so you are saying that they always have the ki at the same level all the time?

2)Again No atleast not one this wiki

....

 

[Executor_N0]

to be honest that makes no sense at all, then they are not space-time in anyway, they are just two different location in the universe (unless the afterlife works like you explain me)

The system measures the amount of dimensions that is filled by something. For Tier 2 it's done my measuring the amount of 4-D space-times across a 5-D space. Normally, all these universes are assumed to share the exact same dimensions of time and space for the 4 non-insignificant dimensions, and are only assumed to differ by the 5th spatial axis that they are displaced across.

If the assumption really was that none of those universes could share any spatial or temporal dimensions, it would make that multiverse be N*4D (With N being the number of universes).

 

[Alexander]

The system measures the amount of dimensions that is filled by something. For Tier 2 it's done my measuring the amount of 4-D space-times across a 5-D space. Normally, all these universes are assumed to share the exact same dimensions of time and space for the 4 non-insignificant dimensions, and are only assumed to differ by the 5th spatial axis that they are displaced across.

If the assumption really was that none of those universes could share any spatial or temporal dimensions, it would make that multiverse be N*4D (With N being the number of universes).

ok thanks

 

[Alexander]

at this point...i just wish that they don't allow me to enter and discuss in the DB thread...or any DB thread whatsover.

 

[Fezzih_007]

at this point...i just wish that they don't allow me to enter and discuss in the DB thread...or any DB thread whatsover.

Bro, they don't need to not allow you to engage in DB threads, you just need to be self aware and not say blantaly wrong stuff.

 

[Alexander]

Bro, they don't need to not allow you to engage in DB threads, you just need to be self aware and not say blantaly wrong stuff.

nah i deserve that to be honest

 

[Shar122]

which again, it is shown to be limited.

Show me a moment where the Instant transmission itself fails due to distance, Not due to Goku unable to sense a ki signature. I'm talking about a proof of IT being stated to have a range limit in the Universe, You won't find it. the Technique doesn't fail because it was too far. he just can't detect signature who has a faint ki signature.

Your claim is baseless, that's like saying a sniper has a short range because he has a bad eyesight. the Tool or the Technique itself isn't the Problem, just the User ability to perceive the enemy is.

 

[Shar122]

The Problem has been settled, I think this should be closed.

 

[Alexander]

The Problem has been settled, I think this should be closed.

and me banned from DB threads

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will close the thread, since it has been settled.

And Alexander, you do not have to request such a big restriction over something like this.