Additional kind of Immortality?

[DontTalk]

Like I already wrote on the Immortality page (but its true that it is better to do it here for more attention):

I would like to suggest listing an 8th type of Immortaliy on the immortality page: Immortality via inheritance

What that is supposed to mean is a form of immortality in which characters are revived or recreated as long as certain other things exist.

To give a few examples:

• Aim Burst: A being that exists and regenerates from the subconcious of the 10,000 people its network is made of. So as long as the connection to them isn't severed and the people exist it can not be destroyed.
• Fairies in Touhou, like for example Sunny Milk, are spirits of nature. As such the are regenerate as long as the aspect of nature they embody exists, which would be in the example the sun.
• In Umineko conceptual inheritance as a form of immortality is even named like that (well maybe something else was meant, but they have it either way). For example Beatrice is for one thing also a manifestation of the rules of the game board IIRC. So as long as those exist she can revive from them.
• Voldemort has his Horcruxes that revive him as long as they aren't destroyed, that would also be a case of that.

In a way Immortality through Godhood may seems like a bit of a special case of this (in that case the immortality would be inheritance from a god), but I would like to add this extra in order to not have to go through pages and change it and since I believe that this type of immortality is relevant and general enough to have an extra category. What do you think, everyone?

 

[Antvasima]

I personally think that this sounds reasonable.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I agree with this

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with this

 

[Aguantaaa]

sounds reasonable

 

[Squid_peanut]

good job coming up with this distinction

 

[SomebodyData]

I can see how this would work

 

[Antvasima]

However, "inheritance" might be too unspecific and diffuse a term for this concept. Does anybody have a suggestion for a better word to use?

 

[SomebodyData]

How about Immortality via Dependence...

or something I'm bad with names

 

[Drac32Drac]

Symbiotic Immortality?

 

[LazyHunter]

I think this sounds good, there has to be plenty characters that fall into this type of immortality, especially ones that depend on some item or object like Voldemort, Liches, Nicodemus from the Dresden Files, etc; or ones who are embodiments/manifestations of a concept like time or space.

 

[Angry_Dummy]

"Immortality by Phylactery," "Immortality by Keystone," "Immortality by Soul Jar," or any of the above with the first two words cut off.

"As long as X exists, I am invincible!"

Users include liches, dryads, Nightmare of Kirby fame, Nyx of Persona, the Heartless of Kingdom Hearts, YHWH of SMT, the Demon Crown from Cave Story... the list goes on and on.

Immortality ranges from reincarnation to flat-out invincibility.

 

[A6colute]

sounds reasonable

 

[LordAizenSama]

hmm, Immortality Via Third-Party? or Immortality via Reliance?

 

[A6colute]

Via connection?

 

[Drac32Drac]

Linked Immortality?

 

[Antvasima]

"Immortality via connection", "Immortality via association", or "Immortality via affiliation" might work.

 

[Drac32Drac]

Derived Immortality!

 

[Quincy_Emperor]

Mask De Masculine type immortality?

 

[Squid_peanut]

now personally I feel like this shoould be split into "Immortality via phylactery" where someone binds themself to an object and as long as that exists they exist. "immortality via reoccuring" where an indivdual exists by being born of the presence of a reaction, phenominon, or other non-sentiant power, and as long as the thing that created the exists, they will reoccur.

 

[DontTalk]

The superpower wiki seems to call it "Reliant Immortality"

 

[Drac32Drac]

now personally I feel like this shoould be split into "Immortality via phylactery" where someone binds themself to an object and as long as that exists they exist. "immortality via reoccuring" where an indivdual exists by being born of the presence of a reaction, phenominon, or other non-sentiant power, and as long as the thing that created the exists, they will reoccur.

In a way, they are still kind of the same thing depending on how you look at it.

 

[Antvasima]

"Reliant immortality" or "Derived immortality" could work as well.

Btw: I have updated my previous post.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Good idea

 

[Drac32Drac]

I'm guessing this could also fill in the missing pieces of Hourai Immortality.

<- Touhou nut.

 

[Alakabamm]

If another well known wiki is using a term with the same meaning, we should probably consider highly adopting their term, if only just to reduce confusion. So I agree with Don't Talk.

 

[Antvasima]

Reliant immortality might be best then.

 

[Sandgar]

Atticus O'Sulliva has both longevity and protection from a god. Do I add both or what

 

[Kavpeny]

Agreed with premise, as well as the phrase Reliant Immortality.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

sounds ok

 

[Angry_Dummy]

Atticus O'Sulliva has both longevity and protection from a god. Do I add both or what

I would think putting down both would be the right thing to do.

 

[Mandrakk_The_Dark_Monitor]

I thought this was up there already but if not, do put it up

 

[Sandgar]

I would think putting down both would be the right thing to do.

Thanks for the info

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Would Digimon be eligible for this? If a Digimon is killed in the Digital World, then they are reborn in a new state, albeit without prior knowledge (unless under very few circumstances)

 

[DontTalk]

I have now officially inserted the 8th type, so it can be used from now on.

Suggestions to the wording of the descriptions are welcome. Also very appreciated are ideas for very popular characters having this for the examples, because right now Voldemort is the only one that is widely known. For that ideas like popular characters that have them reliant on a concept would be good, in my opinion, to showcase that this is also a thing to be reliant on (other then persons and objects).

 

[Alakabamm]

Would Digimon be eligible for this? If a Digimon is killed in the Digital World, then they are reborn in a new state, albeit without prior knowledge (unless under very few circumstances)

I guess you could tether them to the Digimon world existing.

 

[DontTalk]

Would Digimon be eligible for this? If a Digimon is killed in the Digital World, then they are reborn in a new state, albeit without prior knowledge (unless under very few circumstances)

For one thing I am not sure if that should count as immortality. One can discuss that from a philosophical a theological standpoint, but for the sake of a vs debate I would think the reborn digimon would count as a new one if they don't have their memories, given that they would naturally not continue the fight in that case. (they also revert to baby digimon, don't they?)

For the question of this specific type of immortality: It doesn't really rely on something, but just is the nature of their being. I would believe that case wouldn't fall under this type, given that.

 

[Drac32Drac]

I have now officially inserted the 8th type, so it can be used from now on.
Suggestions to the wording of the descriptions are welcome. Also very appreciated are ideas for very popular characters having this for the examples, because right now Voldemort is the only one that is widely known. For that ideas like popular characters that have them reliant on a concept would be good, in my opinion, to showcase that this is also a thing to be reliant on (other then persons and objects).

Chara?

 

[Northern_Wind00]

Another good example of this would be Swamp Thing, from DC comics.

 

[ThePerpetual]

Reliant Immortality sounds like the best phraseage to me, as well.