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Both of them are in the versions of themselves before their respective rounds began, the fight takes place in the Ragnarok arena, both are in-character and both have any potential canonical knowledge of each other. Edit: Speed is Equalized now.

The Father of Humanity :

The Enlightened One :

Incon :
 
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This is a hard counter match up. Buddha mainly uses his shape-shifting weapon and natural future sight. Adam can't copy weapons and has no way to even be aware of Buddhas future sight. And even if he could there's no way to tell if he could change his entire eyeballs since that should logically remove his eyes of the lord.

Overall Buddha should low-mid diff due to match up
 
This is a hard counter match up. Buddha mainly uses his shape-shifting weapon and natural future sight. Adam can't copy weapons and has no way to even be aware of Buddhas future sight. And even if he could there's no way to tell if he could change his entire eyeballs since that should logically remove his eyes of the lord.

Overall Buddha should low-mid diff due to match up
Adam still has far superior reaction time to Buddha.
 
I try to avoid making speed equalized in-verse matches because those are lame.
RoR has almost no in-universe speed scaling. There're basically no characters who fight more than 1 ragnarok fighter, making in-universe scaling chains impossible.

Even more so when we're using their wiki profiles meaning I can't even argue that Buddha might be as fast or faster since their profiles already give them different values.
 
RoR has almost no in-universe speed scaling. There're basically no characters who fight more than 1 ragnarok fighter, making in-universe scaling chains impossible.

Even more so when we're using their wiki profiles meaning I can't even argue that Buddha might be as fast or faster since their profiles already give them different values.
Even if I equalized speed then Adam would still have the Speed advantage regardless due to how our Speed Equalized rules work.
 
Even if I equalized speed then Adam would still have the Speed advantage regardless due to how our Speed Equalized rules work.
No not really. Adam would be able to "percieve faster" but Buddha would outright see where Adam will move before he does so. Adams extra reaction speed can only allow him to predict Buddhas attacks fast but actual future sight trumps that by a large margin.
 
No not really. Adam would be able to "percieve faster" but Buddha would outright see where Adam will move before he does so. Adams extra reaction speed can only allow him to predict Buddhas attacks fast but actual future sight trumps that by a large margin.
No he straight up is faster. He dodged a MFTL/Infinite Speed attack because of his ability.
 
Not the way VSB separates Reaction Speed and Combat Speed, even in Speed Equalized.
Oh the wiki qualifies it as reaction speed? That's kinda dumb given he literally dodges and attacks this fast but sure. Idrc.
Buddha can not comprehend how fast Adam can actually move while reacting.
This is such a hilarious conversation because you're basically trying your hardest to prove you made a stomp match on purpose AND made the rules specifically favor the stronger character at the same time.

Like congrats, you purposely made a spite match and broke the rules
 
Oh the wiki qualifies it as reaction speed? That's kinda dumb given he literally dodges and attacks this fast but sure. Idrc.
We don't accept his Divine Reflection as Attack Speed or Combat Speed.
This is such a hilarious conversation because you're basically trying your hardest to prove you made a stomp match on purpose AND made the rules specifically favor the stronger character at the same time.

Like congrats, you purposely made a spite match and broke the rules
No, what I'm trying to prove is that this is nowhere near as one-sided in Buddha's favor as you were trying to paint it originally. For the record, Buddha could win this if he played mostly defense to make Adam waste his own stamina and burn through his Divine Reflection. This isn't a death match after all, they're on the same team.
 
We don't accept his Divine Reflection as Attack Speed or Combat Speed.
Yeah and that's the silly part. In that case I just outright don't give a shit about the match up until a profile fix ngl.
No, what I'm trying to prove is that this is nowhere near as one-sided in Buddha's favor as you were trying to paint it originally. For the record, Buddha could win this if he played mostly defense to make Adam waste his own stamina and burn through his Divine Reflection. This isn't a death match after all, they're on the same team.
No?????
You were arguing Adam perception blitzes Buddha even with speed equalized and purposely made the match without speed equalization, meaning Adams already perception blitz level advantage is now FIVE TIMES greater.

There's no way this isn't a spite match when you purposely gave Adam a 3030 times speed advantage.
 
Yeah and that's the silly part. In that case I just outright don't give a shit about the match up until a profile fix ngl.

No?????
You were arguing Adam perception blitzes Buddha even with speed equalized and purposely made the match without speed equalization, meaning Adams already perception blitz level advantage is now FIVE TIMES greater.

There's no way this isn't a spite match when you purposely gave Adam a 3030 times speed advantage.
He's only that much faster with Divine Reflection, which he can't use to attack back by our standards.
 
Yeah bro now he's only FIVE TIMES FASTER in attack speed and COMPLETELY UNTOUCHABLE in reaction speed.

Totally not a spite match 😃
It wasn't meant to be spite asshole, I didn't think the gap between Relativistic and FTL was gonna be that god damn massive.
 
It wasn't meant to be spite asshole,
Hey now, that's not nice
I didn't think the gap between Relativistic and FTL was gonna be that god damn massive.
The very first things you did was bring up Adam being faster and the 2nd thing you brought up was Adams literally MFTL reaction speed. You knew these are massive advantages from the start so I don't see why are you trying to pretend like you had no idea now.

Also high end relativistic to baseline FTL is still a 2x speed advantage which is still ridiculous if you know Adam is essentially untouchable. So it's quite literally impossible that you didn't expect the speed gap to be massive.
 
Hey now, that's not nice

The very first things you did was bring up Adam being faster and the 2nd thing you brought up was Adams literally MFTL reaction speed. You knew these are massive advantages from the start so I don't see why are you trying to pretend like you had no idea now.

Also high end relativistic to baseline FTL is still a 2x speed advantage which is still ridiculous if you know Adam is essentially untouchable. So it's quite literally impossible that you didn't expect the speed gap to be massive.
My entire plan for this fight was supposed to be an endurance based sparring match between the two most overpowered characters on the Human Side of Ragnarok. That was it. I figured Buddha's Precog would allow him to keep up with Adam's Non-Divine Reflection speed.
 
My entire plan for this fight was supposed to be an endurance based sparring match between the two most overpowered characters on the Human Side of Ragnarok. That was it. I figured Buddha's Precog would allow him to keep up with Adam's Non-Divine Reflection speed.
Ah yes endurance match where one side is much faster and untouchable while the other side has literally no way of threatening them
 
Ah yes endurance match where one side is much faster and untouchable while the other side has literally no way of threatening them
Against a character who's biggest drawback is that his power ***** up his stamina horrendously the more it's used, yes.
 
Against a character who's biggest drawback is that his power ***** up his stamina horrendously the more it's used, yes.
Yeah when he spams in nonstop at literal infinite speed against someone who can essentially no sell his attacks. Something he doesn't need to do against Buddha who he might unironically kill in few hits if not in one
 
How exactly does Buddha win here? He's literally a God. Adam just does everything he does but faster and stronger.

I don't know why it's being argued that Buddha can somehow overload Adam's reflection. He's not nearly strong or fast enough that Adam would overload trying to read his movements. It would take forever for Adam to overload against Buddha.
 
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