Acausality/Transduality & Profile Addition (Low Dimensional Game)

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Profile Addition

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Wendy (Tier; Low 2-C | High 1-B, Low 1-A with The Pearl of Space and Time)

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Spoiler: AP Reasoning

Universe level+ (Wendy upon reaching level eight became one with the world with that world becoming her kingdom and fairyland. This would include the world's river of space and time in which the fourth dimension embeds the third, treating it and its objects as grains of sand in comparison to itself. Wendy not only has authority over the entire world and can control it, but she would also be comparable to Gods who can destroy entire planes of existence.)

High Hyperverse level (Arcanists were the first to reach level nine, a stage almost on par with a Space-Time Ruler with Wendy being one of them, likely the first), Low Outerversal level with The Pearl of Space and Time (The Pearl of Space and Time was the original main god and is the most powerful Creator's Artifact. Wendy was the owner of the Pearl of Space and Time originally and could use it to suppress any other ancient gods.)

Spoiler: Controversial Abilities

Acausality (Type 5; Wendy and her Fhartasil Fairyland are capable of assimilating bitwalls and the worlds within them. Bitwalls are complex folds of space and dimensions that separate worlds, their laws, systems, etc. Each World has its own river of space and time and Wendy alongside her fairyland is separate from the world. Even after fusing with the bitwall of sed world, they are free from the world's oppression and bondage. This would mean Wendy is free from such laws as the cause and effect as all laws are operated and maintained by the gods and applied directly to the world which she is separate from.)

Transduality (Type 2; Wendy, as a Mythical Arcanist is not only free of the boundary between life and death like immortals but is also a being that exists between reality, unreality, and supernature, completely separated from the world. Existing without the laws of the world leaves her in a Schrodinger Cat-like state of unknown. She is constantly shown to be a paradox and contradiction unbound by any bondage and oppression of the world but is one with her tower which is both disconnected from the world and untouchable, yet still connected with everything.)

Ability & Resistance Additions

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Universal

Spoiler: Abilities

1. Avatar Creation (There are multiple showcases of Mythical Creatures having to use avatars and false bodies. So every Mythical Creature should get Avatar Creation.)

2. Non-Physical Interaction (If Wendy's Acausality Type 5 & Transduality Type 2 is accepted then anyone with Mind Power will gain NPI to both.)

3. More Non-Physical Interaction (Consciousness is stated to be Information and Mind Power can interact with it.)

4. Durability & Speed via Statistics Amplification (Ones AP, Durability & Speed is dependent purely on your level which is further based purely on your SFU. SFU stands for Source Form Units and Source Form is the origin of every power, (Mind Power, Mana, Qi, Demonic Energy, Supernatural Powers, etc) present within the verse, so put it simply SFU is one's actual power and power level. As such any multipliers or amps to one's power should directly increase their AP, Durability & Speed by an equal degree. Edit; This should also apply to Striking Strength.)

Fang Xiu (Unsealed Key & Immortal Key)

Spoiler: Abilities

1. (Unsealed Key) Acausality (Type 5; Fang Xiu stated he would be able to directly penetrate through the Sea of Chaos. The Sea of Chaos is capable of erasing all Laws, Authority, and Power beyond them returning to their conceptual origin, and directly forbids them from appearing. This would include the laws of cause and effect alongside laws of all time and space. As such when one travels through it they enter a state like Schrodinger Cat, existing in a constant state of unknown.)

2. (Unsealed Key) Resistance to Existence Erasure & Chaos Manipulation (Fang Xiu stated he could directly penetrate the Sea of Chaos which has boundless power of destruction and is superior to the laws of chaos itself which can destroy all space, time, and matter, converting everything into chaos and reducing all existences into their conceptual origin. The deeper parts can erase even the conceptual origin of things from existence including Laws, Authorities, and Mythical Powers.)

3. (Immortal Key) Immortality Type (Type 4; Main Gods that are annihilated will simply be reborn in the Space-Time that belongs to them. And even if a Main God is annihilated alongside their Space-Times as long as the wreckage of their clocks is found a new space-time is created they will be resurrected. Type 5; Once a Main God is born they can never be killed, they can be annihilated, silenced, dormant, or sealed but they will never die.)

4. (Immortal Key) Self-Sustenance (Type 1; Fang Xiu can survive within a world of darkness that acts as a complete vacuum lacking everything including direction. Type 2 & 3; After becoming a mythical creature one no longer needs to eat and is supplied energy via merely existing.)

Kelly (Sacred Advent & Archangel Key)

Spoiler: Abilities

1. Self-Sustenance (Type 1; Gods can survive within the astral world, which is described as being a void lacking everything. Type 2 & 3; After becoming a mythical creature one no longer needs to eat and is supplied energy via merely existing.)

Lu Zhiyu (Dream Controller Key)

Spoiler: Abilities

1. Self-Sustenance (Type 1; Lu Zhiyu can survive within the astral world, which is described as being a void lacking everything. Type 2 & 3; After becoming a mythical creature one no longer needs to eat and is supplied energy via merely existing.)

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Kudos. I agree with everything... Some notes though:

• The first scan for self-sustenance (Type 2) is sufficient.
• Sleep Manipulation is unconventional resistance and unless a time of awakening is specified, it's useless lol.
• Penetrating the sea of chaos is Acausal (Type 5). However, this acausal nature is only relevant if they are in that place. Is his true form there all the time or something?
• For Wendy, Acausality (Type 5) is fine but I'm not sure about TD (Type 2), so I won't discuss that.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Sleep Manipulation is unconventional resistance and unless a time of awakening is specified, it's useless lol.

Fair enough.

Penetrating the sea of chaos is Acausal (Type 5). However, this acausal nature is only relevant if they are in that place. Is his true form there all the time or something?

Ya, I was a bit iffy so I double-checked with a thread and it seems to check out.

 

[Confluctor]

Will check later

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Bump

 

[Fixxed]

I think is just TD 1, because not mention all duality system

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I think is just TD 1, because not mention all duality system

The TD2 is based more on her paradoxical/contradictory existence than anything. It works better if you read her other abilities on top of TD2, I'll just sum it up here for future reference.

So basically Wendy is connected to everything, yet she is also disconnected from everything as well and is untouchable. She is formless yet everything is assimilated as a part of her being, she is separate from the world but she is also the world itself, the world acts as her body and kingdom yet it is also just a representation of her will and strength, yet all of it still exists outside of the real, unreal and supernatural.

As for laws, they govern over dualities like Fire & Water, Light & Dark, Life & Death, Sunset & Sunrise, Day & Night, Heaven & Earth, Fortune & Misfortune, etc. That's why existing outside of laws or existing in a place without laws makes you exist in a state of Strondigners Cat, a state of unknown and in Wendy's case neither 1, 2 nor 3.

 

[Fixxed]

Not sure if that enough for TD 2. From what i know law or concept not enough to says it was duality (unless you proof if that mention about the duality). Yeah transcend all concept not mean you have TD 2, though that also mean transcend the concept of life and concept of death and other "duality system"

Duality not just simple like fire&ice, life&death, heaven&earth, etc. Duality is contradiction and intertwined states, if not A then B and if not B then A

So just contradict to everything, i dont think will contradict to duality system too

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not sure if that enough for TD 2. From what i know law or concept not enough to says it was duality (unless you proof if that mention about the duality). Yeah transcend all concept not mean you have TD 2, though that also mean transcend the concept of life and concept of death and other "duality system"

Duality not just simple like fire&ice, life&death, heaven&earth, etc. Duality is contradiction and intertwined states, if not A then B and if not B then A

So just contradict to everything, i dont think will contradict to duality system too

If that's the case then you are right TD2 should be removed. I'll make a thread real quick and verify.

 

[Orioreeem]

There is no need to explicitly mention word duality, just need to prove that they are duality.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not sure if that enough for TD 2. From what i know law or concept not enough to says it was duality (unless you proof if that mention about the duality). Yeah transcend all concept not mean you have TD 2, though that also mean transcend the concept of life and concept of death and other "duality system"

Duality not just simple like fire&ice, life&death, heaven&earth, etc. Duality is contradiction and intertwined states, if not A then B and if not B then A

So just contradict to everything, i dont think will contradict to duality system too

Ya so apparently existing as a contradiction/paradox is enough and laws being dualities can just be supporting evidence.

 

[Sniper670]

I think is just TD 1, because not mention all duality system

That's TD 2, not 1.

 

[Sniper670]

Not sure if that enough for TD 2. From what i know law or concept not enough to says it was duality (unless you proof if that mention about the duality). Yeah transcend all concept not mean you have TD 2, though that also mean transcend the concept of life and concept of death and other "duality system"

Duality not just simple like fire&ice, life&death, heaven&earth, etc. Duality is contradiction and intertwined states, if not A then B and if not B then A

So just contradict to everything, i dont think will contradict to duality system too

I'll repeat what I mentioned in q and A here.

You don't need mention of Duality to be Transdual.

This is a paradox entity. In terms of Binary values, they're 0 and 1 simultaneously. They're paradoxes, Contradictions

Your case seem to encompass everything, Type 2

From Transduality page:

Such characters typically exist as contradictions within the context of their setting, and abide to dialetheic systems of logic, or are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation

A typical example,
1.if John stands in the doorway to a room, it is reasonable both to affirm that John is in the room and to affirm that John is not in the room. Both are correct.
2. If A is alive and dead, It is reasonable to affirm that A is alive and to affirm that A is not alive. Both are correct

Gyazo

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There's actually an entity with similar nature. Got him immortality type 5 for being both alive and dead.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Schrödinger_(Hellsing)

 

[Sniper670]

There is no need to explicitly mention word duality, just need to prove that they are duality.

That's not necessary at all

 

[Fixxed]

Ya so apparently existing as a contradiction/paradox is enough and laws being dualities can just be supporting evidence.

Yes, because you just need to be complete not bound by duality to have transduality

 

[Sniper670]

Ya so apparently existing as a contradiction/paradox is enough and laws being dualities can just be supporting evidence.

It's enough.

 

[Sniper670]

Yes, because you just need to be complete not bound by duality to have transduality

You never knew how TD works. And it seems you still don't.

Don't drag this crt the same way you did Arceus

 

[Fixxed]

I'll repeat what I mentioned in q and A here.

You don't need mention of Duality to be Transdual.

This is a paradox entity. In terms of Binary values, they're 0 and 1 simultaneously. They're paradoxes, Contradictions

Your case seem to encompass everything, Type 2

From Transduality page:


A typical example,
1.if John stands in the doorway to a room, it is reasonable both to affirm that John is in the room and to affirm that John is not in the room. Both are correct.
2. If A is alive and dead, It is reasonable to affirm that A is alive and to affirm that A is not alive. Both are correct

Gyazo

gyazo.com

There's actually an entity with similar nature. Got him immortality type 5 for being both alive and dead.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Schrödinger_(Hellsing)

Ahh you again, paradox to everything is not enough to have transduality 2, because there is not necessarily the "all duality system" in there

I dont says it not was transduality, but for have a type 2 you have to proof about all duality system

Or lets we make the character that transcend everything arbitary make him transduality 2 by default

And like i says duality is not just simply as cold&heat, fire&water, etc...

 

[Sniper670]

Paradox to everything is type 3 in fact, type 2 because he doesn't qualify for 1A.

Its not even necessary to show light&Dark because the character encompasses all attributes in the verse

If you don't know how transduality works, pls don't partake in this crt. It gets unnecessarily long

 

[Fixxed]

Paradox to everything is type 3 in fact, type 2 because he doesn't qualify for 1A.

Its not even necessary to show light&Dark because the character encompasses all attributes in the verse

If you don't know how transduality works, pls don't partake in this crt. It gets unnecessarily long

Like i says why dont we not make every character that transcend everything is transduality 2??? Or make the character arbitary have immunity to all ability

Its not necesarry if that prove about duality, yeah because duality not just simply as that

And the Dialetheism it self, in the explanation mention about "truth and false" and "nonduality" its clearly prove Dialetheism is mention the duality system, not just arbitary says paradox/contradict to everything

 

[Sniper670]

Like i says why dont we not make every character that transcend everything is transduality 2??? Or make the character arbitary have immunity to all ability

Who mentioned transcendence here?

Tell me who.

Its not necesarry if that prove about duality, yeah because duality not just simply as that

What does this even mean

And the Dialetheism it self, in the explanation mention about "truth and false" and "nonduality" its clearly prove Dialetheism is mention the duality system, not just arbitary says paradox/contradict to everything

What is wrong with this guy.

And yes, existing in a contradictory state within the context of your verse is Transduality.

And No, Duality doesn't need to be mentioned because he encompasses all things, literally One with everything all at once.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[Fixxed]

Who mentioned transcendence here?

Tell me who.

You dont know what i mean??? Its mean there a term called NLF

What does this even mean

Just read what i says above

And yes, existing in a contradictory state within the context of your verse is Transduality.

I never says in this thread it was not transduality

And No, Duality doesn't need to be mentioned because he encompasses all things, literally One with everything all at once.

Yeah that NLF

 

[Sniper670]

If you think Transduality is NLF, make a crt to remove it

 

[Fixxed]

If you think Transduality is NLF, make a crt to remove it

When i says transduality is NLF??? dont be strawmaning

 

[Sniper670]

Then Elaborate, rather than scream NLF at thin air.

Once again, it's you vs the standards.

 

[Confluctor]

Transdual & Acausaul Beings alongside

What is this?

. Type 2 & 3; It's stated that deified beings can't be killed as long as their soul exist.

Type 2 doesn't apply without feats. 3 should be fine tho

At level seven one becomes a mythical creature

Add a comma between seven and one

Regeneration Negation & Immortality Negation (Type; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 & 8, High-Godly; At level seven one becomes a mythical creature. They are stated to be conceptual entities that can only be killed by another mythical creature.)[99][100]

Really iffy on this. Can you elaborate a bit more?

Immeasurable (Wendy who reached level nine is stated to be nearly on par with Space-Time Rulers and should be able to keep up with beings like Fang Xiu.)

Put this as possibly rating

Immeasurable (Wendy who reached level nine is stated to be nearly on par with Space-Time Rulers.)

This too (only if her LS is meant to be weaker than her first key). But ultimately, you can just upscale it from her normal key.

Low Outerversal with Pearl of Space and Time.

Don't think you can add this part into the striking strength. That's usually reserved for the physical attack of a person. And if it is a physical attack, which I am not seeing, then you need to add it to their dura too otherwise it looks off and don't work too well.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Remove this section if you are not going to use it.

Key:

Add keys


Also I am seeing a trend that most of her abilities tend to be scaled instead of stuff shown. If more profiles are going to have this, wouldn't it be better to create a verse power page for it?


Seems mostly fine to me.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What is this?

If her Acausality Type 5 & Transduality Type 2 is accepted people will have NPI to it via her and their Mind Power.

Type 2 & 3; It's stated that deified beings can't be killed as long as their soul exist.

Well in the scan his body had been mutilated to the point everyone assumed he was dead.

Really iffy on this. Can you elaborate a bit more?

Well through the novel only Mythical Creatures have killed other Mythical Creatures despite their Immortality & Regeneration. It would have been a bit difficult to collect and compile the feats of them killing each other while also verifying the characters in the scans are Mythical Creatures so I just used that scan instead.

Fixed everything else you mentioned.

Also I am seeing a trend that most of her abilities tend to be scaled instead of stuff shown. If more profiles are going to have this, wouldn't it be better to create a verse power page for it?

I plan to eventually while I compile all the abilities.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Bump

 

[Confluctor]

I would put the regen and immortality negation as a possibly ability tbh

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I would put the regen and immortality negation as a possibly ability tbh

I mean I don't know how else you would explain that they can kill one another if they don't have negation. Plus it was already accepted on the other profiles on the other threads.

 

[Elizhaa]

Since I was ask about them, Acausality Type 5 & Transduality Type 2 seem doable.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

What Confluctor and Elizhaa have both accepted above can probably be applied. Thank you for helping out.

I will ask a few more staff members for input in order to make certain though.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Zaratthustra

What do you think about this?

 

[Qawsedf234]

They look fine but duality is one of my weaker knowledge areas.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks okay

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Thank you for helping out.

This should be fine to apply now right?

Edit; Elizhaa stated it was ok to apply, thank you for the assistance.