About Luther Strode Speed

[Silvervigilant]

In Luther Strode's profile his speed is said to be "Supersonic, likely Hypersonic" because of this and because he was able To create a sonic boom and tore up the ground beneath him in his clash against Jack the Ripper and he was also able to Create sonic booms just by moving

The thing is that i don't think that any of these feats put him on the Hypersonic range

For the 1st feat : I think the reality of this panel is that the scared and untrained women just missed. Look at the bullets on panel, none of them appear to be on a direct course for Luther and the large portion of the bullets are hitting the floor or way off headed for the other side of the wall. I suggest that it's possible they just missed and Luther then proceeded to blitz the gang member in the third panel. And this could be aim dodge as well.

And Luther Strode being able to create sonic booms, only means that he's faster than sound. In this panel i'm not even sure that the "lines" represents a sonic boom could just be the way that the comics were drawn.

Also Luther Strode was caught by bullets in more than one occasion. So if Luther was Hypersonic he would have no problems dodging those bullets, he would see them in slow motion, something like this

But don't get me wrong i'm not saying that he's not supersonic, i know that he is, since he's able to fight and react to guys like the Librarian, the Shooter and Jack the ripper not to mention that Luther himself was capable of deflect bullets So of course he is Supersonic, but to say that he is Hypersonic is kind of a stretch in my opinion

I also not agree with the people that say that he is Hypersonic because this feat (which for me it's another aim dodging feat, due to the fact that he was simply to fast for the thugs even see him, let alone being able to get a clean shot on him) and this statment. where Luther says that he can "dance" between bullets. But i think he's saying that he can dance between the aim of the gunmen because he gets shot mutiple times after that. his creator also said that he's not able to dodge a bullet at point blank (but i don't know if this is actually true)

But what i'm saying is that i do not have any problem with Luther being Supersonic, since is cleary shown that he is. I just don't think there's enough evidence to put him at Hypersonic speed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

For the 1st feat : I think the reality of this panel is that the scared and untrained women just missed. Look at the bullets on panel, none of them appear to be on a direct course for Luther and the large portion of the bullets are hitting the floor or way off headed for the other side of the wall. I suggest that it's possible they just missed and Luther then proceeded to blitz the gang member in the third panel. And this could be aim dodge as well.

The main reason why I don't think this can be aim dodging is the sheer amount of projectiles coming at him. While I don't think its as solid as this, I think its heavily implied that he had to get between the bullets at some point.

And Luther Strode being able to create sonic booms, only means that he's faster than sound. In this panel i'm not even sure that the "lines" represents a sonic boom could just be the way that the comics were drawn.

I agree with you. This seems more like effect lines rather than a sonic boom

Also Luther Strode was caught by bullets in more than one occasion.

To go over this

• The first scan is from his first night out and well before his prime
• The second he actually intentionally took those shots to fake his death. He caught the bullets with his muscles like before
• Third is legit a low showing
• Fourth and fifth while he's hit, its by another method user. Also the claim on the album is a bit wrong, his bullets are definitely not normal: 1 2
• Sixth one Luthor was restrained and Cain was hypnotized. Its not that he couldn't dodge, but was physically not capable of dodging.

I also not agree with the people that say that he is Hypersonic because this feat (which for me it's another aim dodging feat, due to the fact that he was simply to fast for the thugs even see him, let alone being able to get a clean shot on him)

Personally I agree here. The issue is that Luthor always has his body reading on and can reliably predict everything a non-trained person can do. If its not super explict like in the first topic I usually chalk it up to enhanced speed + body reading.

his creator also said that he's not able to dodge a bullet at point blank (but i don't know if this is actually true)

The creator has also said this. But, this screen shot leaves out his full comment chain, where he includes a previous statement about Strode only being 2x world champions. Now I do believe that artist can and have exaggerated what the writer intended, but that comment chain just contradicts what we've seen in-story.

I just don't think there's enough evidence to put him at Hypersonic speed.

Yeah I agree. Baring a calc or something.

 

[Silvervigilant]

The main reason why I don't think this can be aim dodging is the sheer amount of projectiles coming at him. While I don't think its as solid as this, I think its heavily implied that he had to get between the bullets at some point.

Yeah he probably dodge a couple of bullets, but he not outrun all of them

I agree with you. This seems more like effect lines rather than a sonic boom

Yeah, but in some cases looks like sonic booms though

To go over this

• The first scan is from his first night out and well before his prime

True, but if he was truly Hypersonic, i don't think he would have any problem to dodge those bullets

• The second he actually intentionally took those shots to fake his death. He caught the bullets with his muscles like before

True

• Third is legit a low showing
• Fourth and fifth while he's hit, its by another method user. Also the claim on the album is a bit wrong, his bullets are definitely not normal:

There's nothing that suggests that the Shooter bullets are faster than normal ones

• Sixth one Luthor was restrained and Cain was hypnotized. Its not that he couldn't dodge, but was physically not capable of dodging.

Yeah, you're right again

Personally I agree here. The issue is that Luthor always has his body reading on and can reliably predict everything a non-trained person can do. If its not super explict like in the first topic I usually chalk it up to enhanced speed + body reading.

True

The creator has also said this. But, this screen shot leaves out his full comment chain, where he includes a previous statement about Strode only being 2x world champions. Now I do believe that artist can and have exaggerated what the writer intended, but that comment chain just contradicts what we've seen in-story.

Yeah I agree. Baring a calc or something.

So don't you think that the "likely Hypersonic" should be removed of his profile ?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah he probably dodge a couple of bullets, but he not outrun all of them

But we don't say he did. Just that he was a casual bullet timer with that feat.

but in some cases looks like sonic booms though

That's obviously not a sonic boom though. There's not even a sound effect to back it up or anything. Its just a dust cloud. The artist for the final series liked doing even shots like that.

he was truly Hypersonic, i don't think he would have any problem to dodge those bullets

But he wouldn't be Hypersonic then. That was Strode years before his more intense training and learning from the Librarian. Its like knocking on New 52 Superman because he couldn't fly in Year One.

There's nothing that suggests that the Shooter bullets are faster than normal ones

We have evidence that they're massively stronger than normal bullets. So its not a massive leap to make, but you are right that we have nothing to suggest that.

o don't you think that the "likely Hypersonic" should be removed of his profile ?

I'm not sure how you read this

I just don't think there's enough evidence to put him at Hypersonic speed.

Yeah I agree. Baring a calc or something.

And came away with me disagreeing that the rating should be removed.

 

[Silvervigilant]

But we don't say he did. Just that he was a casual bullet timer with that feat.

Yeah but that doesn't make him Hypersonic tho

That's obviously not a sonic boom though. There's not even a sound effect to back it up or anything. Its just a dust cloud. The artist for the final series liked doing even shots like that.

Yeah you're right

But he wouldn't be Hypersonic then. That was Strode years before his more intense training and learning from the Librarian. Its like knocking on New 52 Superman because he couldn't fly in Year One.

Makes sense

We have evidence that they're massively stronger than normal bullets. So its not a massive leap to make, but you are right that we have nothing to suggest that.

what i'm saying we cnnot assume that the bullets are faster than a normal one without any evidence

I'm not sure how you read this

I's asking if you agree that the likely Hypersonic on his profile should be removed, meaning that Luther will only be Supersonic

And came away with me disagreeing that the rating should be removed.

?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I's asking if you agree that the likely Hypersonic on his profile should be removed

I agreed with you from the start that there's noting supporting a hypersonic rating barring a new calc or something.

 

[Silvervigilant]

I agreed with you from the start that there's noting supporting a hypersonic rating barring a new calc or something.

Ok then

 

[Silvervigilant]

I think more people should give a opinon on this

 

[Antvasima]

I trust Qawsedf's sense of judgement.

 

[Silvervigilant]

I trust Qawsedf's sense of judgement.

So the changes should be made ?

 

[Antvasima]

What Qawsedf234 has agreed with can probably be applied.

 

[Silvervigilant]

What Qawsedf234 has agreed with can probably be applied.

He agreed with me, the likely Hypersonic on Luther's profile should be removed

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine to apply then.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Okay. That seems fine to apply then.

So, can i make the necessary changes on his profile ?

 

[Antvasima]

I think so, yes. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, please link to this thread in the edit summary box, to avoid misunderstandings.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Also, please link to this thread in the edit summary box, to avoid misunderstandings.

Where i put the link to this thread ?

 

[Antvasima]

Here is what edit summary boxes look like:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Edit_Summary.png

 

[Antvasima]

@Silvervigilant

Did you ever update this page?

 

[Silvervigilant]

@Silvervigilant

Did you ever update this page?

I think so...

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Please verify this by checking the wiki page, and then tell me here if I should close this thread.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Okay. Please verify this by checking the wiki page, and then tell me here if I should close this thread.

Yep i did make the changes, you can close this thread

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.