About durability negation

[Adamjensen2030]

How much stronger is the human body than the human brain?

For example 9-C with MFTL speeds tries to phase through 9-A by destroying his brain would it also work on 3-A's or is that No limits fallacy all over again?

Thanks for reading.

 

[Kaltias]

I'd say that if the 3-A doesn't have a brain with durability above 9-C or resistance to intangible enemies/ organ manipulation it should probably work. I'm not sure though

 

[Adamjensen2030]

I see. It'll also help to hear what other admins have to say.

 

[Kaltias]

Organ manipulation is kind of an exception though. For other durability ignoring hax it's usually assumed that they work unless the opponent has already resisted it or is infinitely stronger (2B vs 2A for example). Stuff like void manipulation, reality warping, soul manipulation, one hit kill abilities and similar others are usually treated as durability negation.

 

[Aparajita]

Disagree, Kaltias.

Let's give an example of something popular, like Dragonball or any major fighting series.

The force of the blows would still affect the organs beneath even if you expertly blocked it, this is why crushing weapons were used against shields, as you can still damage the person through the shield.

In some cases, your internal durability is on the same par as your external.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Kaltias, Aparajita:

So basically if Flash decides to phase through you then your defense will mean 0 to him and you're doomed?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, Flash can destroy stars with his bare fists, so yeah, i'd be doomed.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Also would Flash phasing work on Base Archie Sonic or is that no limits fallacy?

 

[Kaltias]

@Aparajita

It also depends on your control over the organ manipulation. For example, Lucy https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucy_(Elfen_Lied) can use her vectors to block one's veins, and that's a much better method that using blunt force against the organs.

@Adam

I lack info on both characters to judge properly.

 

[Aparajita]

Adam, i'd have to say that Flash' phasing is more of a hax ability.

I don't know enough about Archie Sonic to tell you, honestly.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Base Archie Sonic is 4-A. Does hax always work on any character or is it No limits fallacy?

 

[Joseph619]

Base Archie Sonic is 4-A. Does hax always work on any character or is it No limits fallacy?

Hax that ignore physical stats entirely (like phasing) works on anybody without resistance. Certain hax like phasing are not considered NLF since they ignore durability conceptually

 

[Adamjensen2030]

So it will work on anything as long as they're not tier 2 and higher?

 

[Joseph619]

It will work on anybody under tier 2 who does not have resistance, yes. Almost all tier 2+ character have some resistance to spacetime manipulation by default unless they're glass canon (ex. reality warpers)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Hax works regardless of tier unless people have resistance or are immune by virtue in the case of soul manipulation, by not having a soul, that's why it's hax. Despite being tier 2, flash can still phase through a character like zeno, as he hasn't displayed any resistance to such things. The thing is once you start going up the tiering characters tend to get more and more hax, hax becomes common so the hax on a low tier character isn't gonna work in normal cases on higher tier character cause they themselves are haxed, and have resistance, this starts to happen around tier 2 yes.

 

[Adamjensen2030]

Joseph619, Celestial Pegasus and the others:

Thanks for the information I appreciate it.