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Well, any regulation text should be placed in the Lightning Dodging Feats page, but I am uncertain if Antoniofer opposed this or not.
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A question about lightning and electrical devices
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I only agree if it has wattage/voltage/current equal or superior to lightning if was in-universe stated (like what happened to Zoro, assuming it was DC), and the other restriction like AC, magic electricity, between others. If was just scaled/extrapolated to have superior energy/power, then I disagree.
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I don't get the reasoning for that.
If a character is capable of resisting attacks which level cities, and another character can harm him with electricity, that lightning bolt is obviously far stronger than real life lightning.
To say nothing of a lightning bolt which destroys a house, or a building, or a city block, something which is impossible in real life. That can only be done through a lightning with a wattage higher than real life. In that case we don't need a statement.
If a character is capable of resisting attacks which level cities, and another character can harm him with electricity, that lightning bolt is obviously far stronger than real life lightning.
To say nothing of a lightning bolt which destroys a house, or a building, or a city block, something which is impossible in real life. That can only be done through a lightning with a wattage higher than real life. In that case we don't need a statement.
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Several electricity attacks don't even works as the real ones, causing explosions or working as simple projectiles, so saying that something is faster than a lightning one cuz is more destructive is pretty questionable (even more considering that lightning doesn't even cause that destruction compared to the supposed energy output).
Also, damage by electricity hasn't nothing to do with durability, not in real life, it has to do with resistivity, and some verses follow this. Examples? The Iron Giant, MHA, One Piece.
So if in one verse, electricity attacks cause explosions, fine then, just calculate the destruction, but giving it speed cuz curiously cause more destruction than a real lightning and then ignore everything else from the verse sounds like wank, even more considering that there's no scientistic support to that "tesis", that doesn't sound different than headcanon.
Also, damage by electricity hasn't nothing to do with durability, not in real life, it has to do with resistivity, and some verses follow this. Examples? The Iron Giant, MHA, One Piece.
So if in one verse, electricity attacks cause explosions, fine then, just calculate the destruction, but giving it speed cuz curiously cause more destruction than a real lightning and then ignore everything else from the verse sounds like wank, even more considering that there's no scientistic support to that "tesis", that doesn't sound different than headcanon.
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I guess Electro's lightning isn't real lightning despite having all propertires of real light lightning just because it causes explosions, then.
It is 100% possible for fictional lightning to have most if not all elements of real life lightning but also do something impossible.
It is 100% possible for fictional lightning to have most if not all elements of real life lightning but also do something impossible.
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Electro's lightning has an stated speed iirc. And using weather manipulation to summon lightning from the sky would makes it like a real lightning. Similar goes with Storm, and anyone with weather manipulation that can create a thunderstorm will gain that benefit.
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Electro's lightning is as fast as real lightning even if it didn't fall from the sky. It has all properties of lightning so it makes no sense to assume it would have every lightning property except speed.
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Even without that feat Spooderman would be 8-A.
Also, real life lightning can't level the Daily Bugle.
Also, real life lightning can't level the Daily Bugle.
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My apologies, but I am leaning towards agreeing with Matthew.
In addition, it simply isn't practically feasible for us to consider electrical strikes travelling through the air as having any less speed than lightning, as it would require massive very controversial revisions.
According to what I skimmed in Wikipedia, it also seems like the drift velocity of electrons is proportionate to the voltage, although it isn't my area anymore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity
I also noticed that electrons travelling through air go much swifter than the ones travelling through much denser materials such as metals, but I may have misunderstood:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity
In addition, it simply isn't practically feasible for us to consider electrical strikes travelling through the air as having any less speed than lightning, as it would require massive very controversial revisions.
According to what I skimmed in Wikipedia, it also seems like the drift velocity of electrons is proportionate to the voltage, although it isn't my area anymore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity
I also noticed that electrons travelling through air go much swifter than the ones travelling through much denser materials such as metals, but I may have misunderstood:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity
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Basically how I feel about it too.
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There's another ways to find energy since there's no way to find charge. However, I still consider energy in electric devices irrelevant, what it kill people isn't the energy, nor wattage, not even voltage, is current.
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Well, the point is that, as far as I understand, what is of relevance here is the drift velocity of electrons through air, and that it seems to be proportionate to the energy of a discharge.
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If willing, Hop can offer explanations. Hop works in IT and has a family member in Electrical Engineering, if you would an explanation.
Hop also would like to bring up computer and internet speeds if it is relevant, but maybe in another thread.
Hop also would like to bring up computer and internet speeds if it is relevant, but maybe in another thread.
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DontTalkDT already solved this problem in another thread. We have updated the Lightning Dodging Feats page accordingly.
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I would update how attacks that are based on electronics and such differently from lightning and electricity itself.
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Well, as long as they have equivalent or greater power than real lightning, and fulfill all of our other previous requirements, we consider the discharges to have similar speed as well. DontTalk agreed with this assessment, and he is our most knowledgeable member about physics and mathematics.
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Hop understands. You can close thread.
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