My argument is that Garou has adapted to extreme temperatures before.
And? That doesn't mean shit if he just dies.
He survived to heat to adapt, I'm arguing sucks to suck, but cold would just kill his ass before he can adapt because that's how it works against a dude with literally zero resistance.
Of course cold is different from heat,
Then don't say they're the same.
but the fact is that you can make this same hilariously detailed chemical reaction explanation of how much heat ***** up your cells, in a far worse way, even.
Yeah and? You could do the same for a punch. Stop being willfully ignorant and pretending "oh yeah nah dude he'd TOTALLY be fine" for shit that would just kill him.
Like what sort of awful argument is this, "heat is way worse compared to transmutation because heat can vaporize you but being turned into a brick is less of a change so Garou would just survive that and adapt" - basically this argument.
It doesn't matter what heat does, we're talking about what sufficient cold does to shit, shit he doesn't resist, and like 10 things that would just kill him instantly.
Garou adapted to heat that could vaporize portions of the monster association instantaneously. That is objectively more changing of the biology than what freezing does.
That doesn't matter, he doesn't have resistance to -210 cold, which is OBJECTIVELY enough to instantly kill someone without fail who has zero resistance.
He survived and then adapted to this other thing has no bearing on literally anything else, ever, at all.
"Garou could survive heat and then adapt to it, so it's safe to assume he'd survive EE to adapt to it"-ass arguments.
Not how the wiki works, you know this, featless, resistanceless dude, who's adaption only works after exposure to a certain sufficient element, ain't gonna work if he's never been exposed to such things before and his first exposure is enough to kill.
This is why I make the argument that adaptation to a colder temperature is likely in the realm of possibility.
He could adapt, if he worked his way up or got hit with a less instantly lethal cold, he just dies instantly before he does so in this situation.
To dismiss that is nothing but bad faith on your part.
No I'm dismissing it because you're literally wanking and forgetting how the wiki works.
-210 could will instantlly kill a dude in ways you apparently can't even imagine. Whether it's his very synaptic activity and blood being frozen, the changing of volumes, osmotic shock, every tissue becoming brittle and collapsing on themselves, etc. Even if we take the cope "well flash freezing is less dangerous", which mind you is so wrong when applied to a human due to a lack of various chemicals and biology the things you're thinking of below have, would still kill him instantly.
Garou must SURVIVE in order to adapt.
If he is killed by something he would not adapt.
Due to lack of resistance to start with, he just dies.
It'd be no different than dropping Garou pre-heat adaption into the core of a sun, his ass would just die before he could even adapt as the initial heat is way above his resistance-less ass.
Especially when you consider that Saitama, someone who comes from the same world, with similar methods of growing stronger and adapting, has
resisted the exact same shit.
Saitama has cold resistance, literally do not care.
Garou ain't Saitama. Go make a CRT to give Garou resistance to shit because Saitama of all people has it?
This is legit like arguing Garou should also resist EVERYTHING Saitama has before a that would straight kill Garou in this key because, I'm not even sure what the because is, that just isn't how it works. Unless you somehow cope an argument that says Garou inherently has all of Saitama's resistances and get it accepted, there's nothing to even discuss here.
Would not happen if it is fast enough, which is my entire point. So yes, there is a "Well actually" here.
This dude did not just link a wikipedia article that doesn't even say what he's claiming as an argument.
Anyway, yeah no dude, still wrong. Osmotic shock still happens with flash freezing, the difference is instead of larger ice crystals, it's just many, many, smaller ones instead. These still cause osmotic shock, you could argue less so, but that doesn't really matter or even mean much because instead of big ass ruptures and membrane damage, it's still gonna cause damage, and all the other funny instantly fatal stuff.
Also a FRUIT and a human are not the same, a human and a small animal also isn't the same due to cell complexity. One of the major issues of flash freezing a human, because mind you, we literally do have the technology to instant freeze someone, they still die instantly, is that shit just isn't feasible due to the complexity and mechanical structure of the body, cells get cut off from each other, instant brain death, destruction of like fifty fucktrillion things, etc. And you're legit arguing because the ice crystal formation is different, mind not that it doesn't happen, it just trades size for quantity, means "oh yeah nah dude flash freeze a human instantly and they'd live lmao"?
Also that's STILL with cryodepressants and stuff factored in.
There was a recent article published in september this year detailing a bunch of preservation tech
Hell maybe all our scientists are just dumb as shit then.
What are you talking about? Why do you think cryo has already worked successfully for smaller biological organisms?
The three that I could think of, are nematode worms, tardigrades, and wood frogs.
Tardigrades were cryosleeped specifically, which unlike Garou, legit have cold resistance as fuckedup as that sounds because they can enter a desiccated state by losing almost all their body water, reducing their metabolism to near zero. This shit prevents ice crystal formation within their cells during freezing, avoiding cellular damage. They synthesize trehalose, a sugar that stabilizes proteins and cell membranes, protecting cellular structures during desiccation and freezing and also IDPs which form a glass-like matrix inside cells during the aforementioned desiccation which prevents cells and shit from ice formation. And a frog which accumulate urea and convert liver glycogen to glucose, both acting as cryoprotectants to limit ice formation and reduce osmotic shrinkage of cells.
Last I checked Garou don't got all that shit built in so even if his ass can adapt in theory it doesn't matter if he just dies befoe he does.
But speaking of, why do YOU think when we freeze tissues we don't flash freeze? We use cryodepressants like dimethyl sulfoxide and glycerol which reduce ice formation and stabilize cellular structures during the freezing and thawing processes, which obviously isn't applicable in a normal setting. Also carefully controlling the rate of temperature decrease, it's possible to
minimize ice crystal formation within tissues. Doing it, get this, SLOWLY allows water to move out of cells before freezing, reducing intracellular ice formation.
Or if you want the fast way, vititrification, rapid cooling of tissues to a glass-like state without ice crystal formation. You need an excessive amount of high concentrations of cryoprotectants and precise control of cooling rates. Which fyi is how the tartigrade got passed, unfortunately doing the same to a human without all these cryodepressants and extra chemicals, is instant death. And that still ignores the biological complexity and systems that would still fail and cause death immediately in a human compared to much less complex organisms.
So uh, yeah if you want to ignore some of the major reasoning why that's possible for them be my guest.
