A pissed off version of Frosty vs Weird Sea Creature

[Arkansalter2]

Ok so here's the question.
Can he bust out of being frozen solid?
Will his reactive evolution be prompted as he's frozen?
And how potent is the freeze? Does it only freeze them on the surface or does the freeze go deeper? If the freeze goes deeper than surface or etc, then garou might have trouble.
Also, what's stopping Snowdude from freezing and shattering the dude if that's the case.

 

[Chariot190]

Because he doesn't have resistance and sufficiently cold temperatures do a HELL of a lot beyond just "lmao ice block", every cell in his body will die, as the body freezes, the water inside cells forms ice crystals which puncture cell membranes. This ***** up every tissue in the body and causes cellular destruction, causing damage that is instantly fatal. Theres also osmotic shock, which is water is drawn out as extracellular fluid freezes creating a concentration gradient or whatever. This basically causes cells to ******* IMPLODE and rapidly shrink, causing cells to die on en masse from dehydration and mechanical stress. But we still got blood, being primarily water, freezes quickly, stopping circulation which is also instantly fatal, depriving the body of oxygen and nutrients, which is basically brain death and organ failure. Speaking of brain death, Nerve cells, being well, cells, are destroyed by ice crystals, as mentioned above and electrical signaling ceases as synapses are irreparably damaged. Plus as tissues freeze, the expansion of ice causes them to rupture (as mentioned twice). Bones, muscles, and connective tissues crack, this structural damage renders the body non-viable even if thawing were attempted, so even IF bro adapts, he'd so ****** up from the getgo it legit wouldnt matter. And then the obvious hypothermic shock, which if frozen instantly is just death. Also enzymatic activity stops, halting biochemical reactions and processes, this shit happens at a molecular level btw so....

And idk im just naming off the super bad shit, pretty sure thawing also causes the cells to basically explode due to ice turning back to a liquid and volume fuckery.

ANYWAY, this is why cold res is important. Idk if Frosty freezes dudes solid tho or how quick so eh. But Garou ain't Saitama.
This is why ice beam is hax af.

If Garou can't survive ALL of this, he aint adapting.

You're claiming that I'm being dishonest when you just compared complete ******* body annihilation to being covered with ice and frozen. Not continuing this argument. Call someone to entertain your bullshit or change the topic because this is a waste of time and energy.

Yes Kachon, because being hit with -210c cold tends to all of the above to a literally featless, zero resistance goon. You should know this.
Full body annihilation? Lad that shit starts WELL below air freezing temps. That's legit just what cold does to dudes, Krypto has res, snowman ****** dude has hundreds below cold. Garou dies if hit, end of.

 

[Kachon123]

If Garou can't survive ALL of this, he aint adapting.

Describing freezing with flowery language is not going to prove your point. Take this shit somewhere else.

Yes Kachon, because being hit with -210c cold tends to all of the above to a literally featless, zero resistance goon. You should know this.
Full body annihilation? Lad that shit starts WELL below air freezing temps. That's legit just what cold does to dudes, Krypto has res, snowman ****** dude has hundreds below cold. Garou dies if hit, end of.

Vaporization ≠ Freezing. Using that as an argument is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Chariot190]

And how potent is the freeze? Does it only freeze them on the surface or does the freeze go deeper? If the freeze goes deeper than surface or etc, then garou might have trouble.

At least -210 given it can flash freeze the air solid. Being caught in that is like a good 120+ above what would instant kill someone with resistance and do what I named off.

The freeze goes beyond the surface because that's how cold works? The colder it is, the more heat it draws and yadda yadda. It's cold enough to ice a normal dude instantly. Krypto just built diff ig.

Explaining freezing with flowery language is not going to prove your point. Take this shit somewhere else.

Flowery language? Dude that is literally what it does, nothing in there is flowery, it's literal. You yourself already said you knew all that, why backpedal?

Vaporization ≠ Freezing. Using that as an argument is beyond ridiculous.

Thats your argument, he has Type 2 so he lives. Not an argument if it's beyond his Type 2. Dont be obtuse.

Also, what's stopping Snowdude from freezing and shattering the dude if that's the case.

Nothing really.

 

[Kachon123]

Like I said before, I'm not continuing this topic.

Are we switching Garou with someone else or not?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Nothing really.

So basically he'll just pull a this (game gore lolol) and it's GG's.

 

[Phoenks]

Because he doesn't have resistance and sufficiently cold temperatures do a HELL of a lot beyond just "lmao ice block", every cell in his body will die, as the body freezes, the water inside cells forms ice crystals which puncture cell membranes. This ***** up every tissue in the body and causes cellular destruction, causing damage that is instantly fatal. Theres also osmotic shock, which is water is drawn out as extracellular fluid freezes creating a concentration gradient or whatever. This basically causes cells to ******* IMPLODE and rapidly shrink, causing cells to die on en masse from dehydration and mechanical stress. But we still got blood, being primarily water, freezes quickly, stopping circulation which is also instantly fatal, depriving the body of oxygen and nutrients, which is basically brain death and organ failure. Speaking of brain death, Nerve cells, being well, cells, are destroyed by ice crystals, as mentioned above and electrical signaling ceases as synapses are irreparably damaged. Plus as tissues freeze, the expansion of ice causes them to rupture (as mentioned twice). Bones, muscles, and connective tissues crack, this structural damage renders the body non-viable even if thawing were attempted, so even IF bro adapts, he'd so ****** up from the getgo it legit wouldnt matter. And then the obvious hypothermic shock, which if frozen instantly is just death. Also enzymatic activity stops, halting biochemical reactions and processes, this shit happens at a molecular level btw so....

I get you're trying to explain the science to make physical process of "freezing" seem exceptionally dangerous, but you do realize you could the same thing the other way around for extreme heat, right? Which also kills cells at the molecular level via chemical change/reaction, and is far more physically changing of the biology than freezing is, to an immense degree?

And that is something Garou has shown no real problem adapting to, in an extremely quick (if not instant) amount of time.

Also, just to correct you a little bit, an instant freeze in the method the snowman showed potentially isn't as dangerous as you think. Freezing is more harmful to the biology when it happens over some amount of time. This is why cryosleep is theorized but not practiced, because there is no way we currently know of to freeze a human fast enough to prevent the cells from being destroyed. If you freeze someone quickly enough it won't actually destroy the cells. It'll just paralyze them.

Anyway, this line of argumentation seems pointless. It's something that can be dodged pretty easily by Garou.

 

[Recon1511]

As Kachon said it'd be better if you pit him against DSK Garou just adapts instantly to the cold or just dodges and blows the snowman to pieces with his Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist

 

[Propellus]

As Kachon said it'd be better if you pit him against DSK Garou just adapts instantly to the cold or just dodges and blows the snowman to pieces with his Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist

Fine, I changed it to DSK, but how good is his resistance to cold exactly?

 

[Kachon123]

Fine, I changed it to DSK, but how good is his resistance to cold exactly?

He can survive at the bottom of the sea, which reaches temperatures of about 2º C. However he should be able to easily avoid any of Angry Snowman's attacks, which are all very telegraphed (ice breath or snowballs).

Does Angry Snowman have an answer to DSK's acid spit?

 

[Propellus]

He can survive at the bottom of the sea, which reaches temperatures of about 2º C. However he should be able to easily avoid any of Angry Snowman's attacks, which are all very telegraphed (ice breath or snowballs).

Does Angry Snowman have an answer to DSK's acid spit?

I see, but then again the Snowman does outclass him in AP, on the other hand DSK has the higher LS.

And nope, he doesn't at all

 

[Recon1511]

Well the spit is pretty slow but if he lands it is over

Also there is a noticeable size difference cuz Hydrated DSK is 20 meters tall

 

[Flashlight237]

Hey, why is only an image linked for the second character?

 

[Propellus]

Hey, why is only an image linked for the second character?

It's fixed

 

[Chariot190]

I get you're trying to explain the science to make physical process of "freezing" seem exceptionally dangerous, but you do realize you could the same thing the other way around for extreme heat, right?

Literally incorrect, like, actually so much so I don't even think I should humor the rest of your reply. There's good reason we list the resistances seperately dude.

Also, yeah you could, so? They're different things, -210c cold, and literally doesnt matter at all heat, are different things. Garou has nothing saying he'd survive all that shit instantly and he starts with no resistance, so he'd die if hit. This is like arguing "yeah the science of quantum level atomic cloud shrinking is dangerous, but you could make heat sound dangerous too so..."

Fact is they're both dangerous, but that doesn't change the crux of the issue.

Which also kills cells at the molecular level via chemical change/reaction, and is far more physically changing of the biology than freezing is, to an immense degree?

Yeah and so is a punch, you're literally just wrong here.
They interact with the body in completely different ways, your argument is basically "they both do this, so resist goes both ways", which isn't how it works when the this is done in completely different ways, one of which he doesn't resist, at all.

Where freezing causes ice crystals to form inside the cells themselves and causes osmotic shifts, heat denatures proteins and disrupts cellular structues, breaking molecular bonds.

Freezing causes the water content in the body to rapidly expand, destroy the **** out of tissues, bonds, cells literally implode.
Heat causes desiccation and thermal rupture, causing tissues to shrink instead.

The body becomes brittle and rigid, cells break under their own stress when frozen, especially vulnerable tissues like neurons and synapses.
Heat causes fats and proteins to shift states into vapor or molten residue,

Blood is, ya know, frozen, solidifying, halting blood flow which is like fatal, blood vessels also rupture due to teh aformentioned liquid expansion when shifting to a solid.

Freezing also stops the electrical activity in the brain.

The only thing you said that was somewhat correct, is that heat causes damage at a quicker rate, but that don't mean shit what the damage done is completely differently. And it being more physically changing doesn't matter when he coped resistance to one but he has none here, the more changing argument only works if Garou actually UNDERWENT said changes, I don't think his ass was turned to ash though. If Garou was hit with a fucktrillion degrees in his 7-C key, he'd be vaporized too and wouldn't adapt and would also be just dead, type 2 and this or that doing nothing to stop it. Just because he managed to adapt overtime working his way up, even if that time was quick, doesn't mean it'd have been possible from the getgo. Which is to say knock it off, stop giving him shit he don't got and conflating completely different things while he lacks the required resistances to not just die initially. Note, I'm not saying he can't adapt in theory, he could, but he ain't surving the initial -210 freeze to adapt given his ass starts at nothing.

It double don't matter because Garou HAS heat resistance, this shit doesn't happen to him, but he don't got cold resistance, so why the even bring it up? You may as well argue his ass resists matter manipulation or deconstruction too at this point because they affect the same stuff, even though the how and why is fundamentally completely different.

And that is something Garou has shown no real problem adapting to, in an extremely quick (if not instant) amount of time.

Like, you're straight up, objectively, incorrect. So much so that the very fact you thought this was gonna fly is straight up baffling.

Say straight to my face right now Garou in his debut chapter would instantly adapt to core of sun level heat or someshit or near absolute zero cold because "he did this later on after a few exposures to stuff". The ONLY way that'd be a legit argument, is if Garou inherently has dumb as shit heat res.

Also, just to correct you a little bit, an instant freeze in the method the snowman showed potentially isn't as dangerous as you think.

Dangerous as I think? Dude, nothing I've said isn't just straight up how it works, this isn't subject to opinionated battle boarding slop, it just is, everything I've said is EXACTLY how it works. There is no "well actually" here.

Freezing is more harmful to the biology when it happens over some amount of time. This is why cryosleep is theorized but not practiced, because there is no way we currently know of to freeze a human fast enough to prevent the cells from being destroyed. If you freeze someone quickly enough it won't actually destroy the cells. It'll just paralyze them.

And then you unthaw them and they literally explode.

And also you fell for the double misconception, instant freezing is just as catasrophic. Because as opposed to slow freezing where ice crystals form inside cells at a slower rate, instant freezing causes that shit to happen not just within the cells, but everywhere.

Also it isn't practiced because there's no way to prevent osmotic shock, the aim in cryosleep is to prevent that shit entirely but even cryoprotectants don't work completely.

Anyway, this line of argumentation seems pointless. It's something that can be dodged pretty easily by Garou.

Yeah, it's true, but that doesn't change the fact you're flatout wrong and actively spreading misinfo now.

Thank god it's Deep Sea King now, but that problem still applies.

 

[Robo432343]

deep sea king outskills
garou would have skillstomped snowman anyway