Why is it more likely to happen in this fight? Especially since even in Super that happens more when Goku and Vegeta fight against stronger opponents (and even then, not all of them. That didn't happened with Golden Frieza)
becuz this is a goku post UI from the t.o.p ark where progression really takes place here. and becuz that's still early in super. it really gets explored from the u6 v u7 arc/ black saga and on
1) Zamasu, in the very scene you linked, outright said Black's power rose, which was from the beatdown he recieved.
it depends if he realizes before hes not dead.
Considering his stonewall durability is >>>>>>>>> his AP, Sonic will likely see that he isn't affecting Goku anymore long before Goku will be able to kill him
It doesn't matter. He still managed to push Jiren further than ever before with just his SSB state, meaning his boost was very strong regardless. And that happened after he was healed by Frieza
then that could be considered sonics wincon. ill still vote for goku for my reasons before
You already voted. You can't vote twice
Perfect Dark Gaia, Egg Salamander, and Phantom King can harm Super Sonic
1. The Chaos Emeralds are stronger than the World Rings, simple as that
Dark Gaia had alot of specific circomstances involved. Everyone else can only push Super Sonic back
Where is that ever stated or shown?
The Chaos Emeralds are stronger than world rings since they were stated to grant "ultimate power" after the events of SatSR in the Codex for Sonic Chronicles
Since when does that mean that they're the strongest artifact in the entire Sonic verse? It could be hyperbolic or simply limited to the power available in the confines of the main universe. The world rings come from a different universe after all
The Chaos Emeralds' power is unmatched by anything in the sonic multiverse aside from the power of the stars and the Master Emerald (and also the Super Emeralds by being literally the Chaos Emeralds but enhanced by the Master Emerald)
No, both Phantom King and Egg Salamander can harm Super Sonic, not just push back.
I'm pretty sure the Phantom King does this with his Phantom Ruby hax, since Eggman's machine, who also fights the Phantom King and Sonic, can't harm Sonic. And even then, he can only do it with his special attack. The rest of his attacks only push Sonic back
Meh, fair enough there. I was mainly pointing at the incorrect statement of no one being able to harm Super Sonic besides Solaris and Dark Gaia, not the means by which it's done.
Is that an official wiki? It doesn't say anything about the multiverse in the link you sent.
Yes this is the official wiki. The Sonicverse doesn't refer to the multiverse a lot, but it was also stated that the Chaos emeralds holds "unlimited energy" and their user will gain "ultimate power". The Emeralds are consistently portrayed as such and Super Sonic is consistently considered one of the most powerful characters in the verse, who gains his powers from the Chaos Emeralds
They still vary in power through. Their peek is obviously higher than the world rings', but they can show much lower limits depending on the user
Once you make said thread, can you tag me in it? Am I even gonna get notified if you do?
Remind me in a message in my profile. I'm kind of busy now so I'm not planning to make it really soon
Goku fought Caulifla and Kale relatively equally as SSJ2. The reason he somewhat kept up in base with Caulifla is because he's much more skilled than her, as also noted by Whis, though Caulifla was holding back too.
Sonic doesn't need the wisps to win. Wisps was never my argument for him to win anyway
when has he used time break and ring time?
In Sonic Generations
scan?
Here you go. Both Classic and Modern Sonic can use this ability
