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Multi-Galaxy level so yea you are correct.
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A few reasons..
Goku wasn't at fullest potential in that exchange of blows. He was only at his fullest when he tapped into SSJGod again. Second, Ki blasts are far stronger than regular punches. If his physical strength is 3-B, how strong is his ki blasts ? Second, quite a few author statements support it. Thirdly, being able to destroy an condensed mass that by exploding would destroy the universe, in one punch, while he was weakened.
Goku wasn't at fullest potential in that exchange of blows. He was only at his fullest when he tapped into SSJGod again. Second, Ki blasts are far stronger than regular punches. If his physical strength is 3-B, how strong is his ki blasts ? Second, quite a few author statements support it. Thirdly, being able to destroy an condensed mass that by exploding would destroy the universe, in one punch, while he was weakened.
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They weren't shaking the universe, they were going to destroy it over a short period of time
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Honestly, while I don't mind us ranking it as universal, because it saves a ton of space just to rate DBS Goku as 4-B, 3-A with SSG forms, the feat is clearly Multi Galaxy+ and Beerus is the only one who had a 3-A feat in the episode. Granted 3-A for any point after that is without flaw. As in, RoF and later.
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I know there was a thread that discussed this already
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No, why would we?
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Last time i checked the profiles they dont even have 'Shaking the universe' as a justification for their tiers so...
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From Goku's page:
Capable of fighting evenly with a held back Beerus, who nullified universe destroying energy in this state. Also destroyed a ball of energy that would have the same effect, with a simple punch. Capable of vastly enhancing his power with Super Saiyan Blue and Kaio-Ken, in addition to several years of training
This on top of Beerus and Champa's fight threatening to destroy the universe is plenty of proof for their 3-A tier.
Capable of fighting evenly with a held back Beerus, who nullified universe destroying energy in this state. Also destroyed a ball of energy that would have the same effect, with a simple punch. Capable of vastly enhancing his power with Super Saiyan Blue and Kaio-Ken, in addition to several years of training
This on top of Beerus and Champa's fight threatening to destroy the universe is plenty of proof for their 3-A tier.
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I see no reason why we cant when Goku himself performed the energy ball destoying feat on top of gaining three much more powerful forms and having years of training after performing said feat
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Goku during his first fight with Beerus was Multi-Galaxy level, yes. He was supposedly able to destroy the universe in 5 blows. However, he has powered up greatly since then, so Return of F and onwards he should be Universe level.
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@Ryop You can be weaker than a Universe level character and still be Universe level, you know that right...?
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I agree with both sides of this. I have no problem with 3-A Goku. Like, at all. But episode 12 didn't have him at Universe level, especially considering how Beerus' best feat in that was baseline universe level, and Goku was still very much under that. Again, we know now that Beerus is well into 3-A, along with Goku, but at the time, we didn't. However, I'd prefer how he's currently ranked, as it saves space, and since he is 3-A with any form worth its salt when he's serious.
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WeeklyBattles-But you just assumnig he is universe level,we already saw that the different between the power level of Goku and Beerus are still huge for example when Goku cant beat Arale in SSB and Beerus almost one-shot her,Goku is not just "weaker" he is far weaker than Beerus,at least now. i still think we cant sacling Beerus's feat to Goku
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That would make him 3-B+Antvasima said:
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@Ryop Goku still destroyed a ball of energy that wouldve destroyed the universe with nothing but punch
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Also, I don't like the "simple punch" wording. It makes it sound casual, when it was the complete opposite. It nearly killed Goku and it took all of his strength to do that.
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@Kaltias
You generally need to be at the upper bounds of your Tier to obtain a + in the end of your Attack Potency.
For instance, Doomsday (DCEU) is Mountain level+ because he is dozens of Megatons away from being High 7-A
You generally need to be at the upper bounds of your Tier to obtain a + in the end of your Attack Potency.
For instance, Doomsday (DCEU) is Mountain level+ because he is dozens of Megatons away from being High 7-A
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What Matt said. Goku is dangerously close to universal as a SSG. Which is why I don't mind any point after ep. 12 to be 3-A.
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"the "+" symbol should be used when the Attack Potency is greater than the average (arithmetic mean) of the high end energy level and low end energy level of a particular tier."
Doesn't this mean that you specifically need to be in the upper half of the tier?
Doesn't this mean that you specifically need to be in the upper half of the tier?
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I know there was a thread for this. Ep 12 is not the only reason for this. Can't find it though..
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I'm mean, for Beerus and Whis, it's not. But for SSG Goku it is.
(Not to mention that the supposed universe busting ball was done as a Super Saiyan, making it an outlier whether or not it was stated to Universe bust)
Again, I have no problem with Beerus being 3-A, nor Goku any time after episode 12. And I'd rather not add a 3-B form because it takes up space on an already crowded profile. But SSG isn't 3-A.
(Not to mention that the supposed universe busting ball was done as a Super Saiyan, making it an outlier whether or not it was stated to Universe bust)
Again, I have no problem with Beerus being 3-A, nor Goku any time after episode 12. And I'd rather not add a 3-B form because it takes up space on an already crowded profile. But SSG isn't 3-A.
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"(Not to mention that the supposed universe busting ball was done as a Super Saiyan, making it an outlier whether or not it was stated to Universe bust)"
Of course that's only because we don't accept Goku absorbing the God powers in that scene.
Of course that's only because we don't accept Goku absorbing the God powers in that scene.
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Beerus is 3-A even while holding back immensely, during his fight with Goku.
Even after Goku obtained a new form in Super Saiyan Blue (Which is basically regular Super Saiyan God * Super Saiyan), and trained for almost 5 years accounting for Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and can multiply his power by x10...
He is STILL fodder to Beerus.
The GoDs are casually 3-A
Even after Goku obtained a new form in Super Saiyan Blue (Which is basically regular Super Saiyan God * Super Saiyan), and trained for almost 5 years accounting for Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and can multiply his power by x10...
He is STILL fodder to Beerus.
The GoDs are casually 3-A
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@Howard
I don't think Goku doing that as a Super Saiyan is an outlier, since he absorbed the God Ki an then went Super Saiyan, so he would actually become even stronger.
I don't think Goku doing that as a Super Saiyan is an outlier, since he absorbed the God Ki an then went Super Saiyan, so he would actually become even stronger.
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Fair enough.
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@Ryop
Goku is capable of destroying the universe with 3 - 5 punches in Super Saiyan God. By SSB he is reasonably Universal. And by now he is tens of times stronger.
Goku is capable of destroying the universe with 3 - 5 punches in Super Saiyan God. By SSB he is reasonably Universal. And by now he is tens of times stronger.
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Badically this^
