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A few revisions for Lavos (Mostly DD and TD)

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Hi, everyone. This is a revision I've actually had in mind for a while but I had to get my knowledge on Chrono Cross straight before making it based on assumptions. It's in regards to Lavos as the DD and ultimately the TD (as well as an upgrade for its BFR, too.)

As it has already been discussed and is on its profile, Lavos got sent to the Darkness Beyond Time when he was defeated. This place is said to be a dimensional void and is also where discarded timelines, futures and possibilities end up when they are erased by things such as time travel (for example, if event A leads to a timeline changing due to time travel shenanigans, the future/timeline where no time travel happened gets erased from existence naturally and sent to the DBT).

Basically non-existence, but I'll give the scans just in case, in a sec.

First off, Base Lavos' BFR:

As it currently is, he can send people to whatever point in time, be it in the past, future or the end of time, which is time coordinates infinity (he sent the Gurus to different points in space-time). Chrono Cross expands on this and shows that Base Lavos can also BFR others to the Darkness Beyond Time - Non-Existence. Just like what happened to the Gurus , Schala was dragged by one of its dimensional vortexes along with the Mammon Machine, unifying with Lavos to become the DD and later the TD .

This goes hand in hand with the events related to the DD in Chrono Trigger.

This feat was done by Base Lavos, so the BFR applies to any of his keys.

Ok, now to explain the Darkness Beyond Time.

The Darkness Beyond Timeis a Dimensional Void beyond space and time with no beginning and no end and Lavos nests in it after its destruction in base, being able to actually leave it and return to Reality as the Dream Devourer. So that's Mid-Godly Regen for Lavos as the DD and TD because we have no evidence to say it could do so while in Base (it was alive in the DBT after its defeat, but couldn't come back to Reality). Also these two keys of Lavos may actually qualify as non-existant since they are already destroyed and exist in non-existence naturally(he already has Non-Corporeal as the TD, just pointing this out).

To further support this, the Dragon God you fight near the end of the game is a quasi-existence which the Dragon God who was absorbed by Lavos way in the past uses to manifest within the dimensions despite not existing anymore , since times immemorial.

And to even further support this, the TD's main goal is, again, to destroy all of existence from the DBT, by consuming all of space and time and return all things to nothingness .

Revision suggested: Base Lavos can BFR an enemy to non-existence, while Dream Devourer and Time Devourer have Mid-Godly Regen and exist in non-existence.

Thoughts?
 
So is this good enough or do we need more support? If it's enough support, this can be closed.
 
These all seem reasonable to me. I'm fine with those things being added.
 
Thanks a lot!

The scans serve as a complement and evidence to back up what I claimed (so it doesn't sound like I'm just saying), but I tried to make it as well explained as I could, going from the OP alone.
 
I know it's there, i just didn't read it. Not saying because i don't believe it, i'm just not in the mood for it...though might come back to look at it out of interest...
 
Yeah, I think it seems okay as well. Everything seems in order.

Making these threads just makes Cal stronger...
 
Darkanine said:
Yeah, I think it seems okay as well. Everything seems in order.
Making these threads just makes Cal stronger...
Thanks!

Indeed. But now I wait until Arceus somehow becomes 2-A to make Arceus vs Lavos and see Cal drowning in despair
 
Ok, so considering that everyone so far agreed to it and talking with Azzy he told me it's reasonable as well, I think this one can be safely concluded, right?
 
Not to sound a bit nitpicky or whatever is the right word for it, but should we at least specify how his Mid-Godly works in a bit more detail?

Not that it's necessary or anything given it's kind of pretty straightforward, was just wondering if we want to do that a little bit more...
 
Well, I didn't specify on the details for the regen because most profiles I've seen don't usually do (I actually looked at some before making a decision whether to specify or not). But if it's better to explain, I'll do it.
 
Yeah that one...we really need to start doing that more often...as i say to just about everything else that reminds me of another thing when i say this.

And well i did say that it's not necessary to do it given that it's really straightforward. But at the same time, it does help a little of how and why those like Lavos here have it so...
 
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