A few questions

[RevoIutionary]

I have a few issues which may upgrade/downgrade some characters.

• Possible Upgrades

-Why is it assumed that King Crimson only erases the concept of time? If that was the case, then its ability wouldn't be different from a time stop, but it doesn't work like that, far from it. It straight up erases events themselves.

-Why is Weather Report only Small Town level? Hurricanes generate Large Town levels of energy per second.

• Possible downgrades

-Why is the Emperor rated as Large Building level? It's a freaking gun for Christ's shake lol. Pretty much any JoJo character is weak to bullets.

-Why are Tusk Act 4 and Ball Breaker placed at High Universal? Unless I'm missing something, the infinite rotation doesn't work like that, it's just accumulated damage. Otherwise Valentine, Diego and Johnny himself would have been vaporized instantly the moment they were hit by Act 4.

 

[Dienomite22]

No comment on the upgrades or the Emporer thing since others will explain it better but I wonder why Tusk Act 4, Ball Breaker, and GER are rated in AP and not being labeled as "Unknown with...(ignores conventional durability)".They don't focus on AP and so they shouldn't be given an AP.

One of my problems with BB or TA4 AP is that it comes from breaking through D4C LT which has an "Unknown" DB but that shouldn't give TA4 or BB an AP of High Universe Level because it only bypassed LT through hax which passes through infinite dimensions and spins its opponent on a cellular level not kill them and that would probably imply Funny and Johnny have High Universe Level DB.My problem with GER is basically the same, GER negating a universal time skip shouldn't be taken as AP, it's just causality manipulation.

I think TA4, BB, and GER being treated as AP is terrible and it implies a character with a higher AP or DB will not be affected by their hax just because their AP or DB is superior not because they are or have been shown to resist or be immune to those hax.A character should only be unaffected by TA4, BB, and GER if they resist or are immune to these hax or something similar or if they are on a tier that is unaffected by such hax not because their AP is higher (looking at you Jiren vs Giorno).

 

[Jayslice]

No comment on the upgrades or the Emporer thing since others will explain it better but I wonder why Tusk Act 4, Ball Breaker, and GER are rated in AP and not being labeled as "Unknown with...(ignores conventional durability)".They don't focus on AP and so they shouldn't be given an AP.
One of my problems with BB or TA4 AP is that it comes from breaking through D4C LT which has an "Unknown" DB but that shouldn't give TA4 or BB an AP of High Universe Level because it only bypassed LT through hax which passes through infinite dimensions and spins its opponent on a cellular level not kill them and that would probably imply Funny and Johnny have High Universe Level DB.My problem with GER is basically the same, GER negating a universal time skip shouldn't be taken as AP, it's just causality manipulation.

I think TA4, BB, and GER being treated as AP is terrible and it implies a character with a higher AP or DB will not be affected by their hax just because their AP or DB is superior not because they are or have been shown to resist or be immune to those hax.A character should only be unaffected by TA4, BB, and GER if they resist or are immune to these hax or something similar or if they are on a tier that is unaffected by such hax not because their AP is higher (looking at you Jiren vs Giorno).

Always thought the whole having more AP thing= You are immune to the hax of another because they're lower is stupid.

Jiren vs Gio. God I hope that isn't a real thread.

 

[Jayslice]

If such a thread does exist what answer does Jiren have to causality manipulation? lol.

 

[Dienomite22]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1026145

 

[Jayslice]

People actually thought Jiren had a chance due to Low 2-C v High 3-A.

Man, drugs are truly powerful.

 

[Jayslice]

I do agree with GER and TA4 having no kind of AP I mean they're literally hax.

GER with building level punches, but no such thing is implied in the stand stats. Literally "NONE" for everything.

 

[Arigarmy]

1. Probably the wording of the explanation, I wouldn't mind it but I'll probably change it later. Erasing "the concept" of time just doesn't sound correct at all.

2. I don't know shit about hurricanes.

3. Don't recall, but I'm fine with it being downgrade. Thoth "predicted" to kill the crusaders but the outcome was much different. High Street/Low Wall seems fine because the bullet did scrape off a piece of a building when it was shot.

4. You missed a lot. The infinite rotation controls gravity and breaks high-dimensional barriers (Love Train). It's not actually going to destroy the universe anytime soon.

 

[Dienomite22]

Also, this: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1026438 but its a little more believable

 

[Jayslice]

So now we're forgetting how hax TA4 is compared to a punch from beerus?

Lol.

Right.

Misfortune ridrection isn't a thing and didn't Funny kill Gyro by scratching his arm and LT redirected said scratch toward his heart?

 

[Arigarmy]

It's the name of the ability though? I'm not saying it's exactly on the tin but a name is a name. Gyro already had that scratch and was inflicted prior, Valentine just checkmated him in that duel with Ball Breaker because his steel ball wasn't a perfect sphere.

 

[RevoIutionary]

@Dienomite22

I agree.


@Arigarmy

1. Yeah, I might be wrong but I think GER was downgraded due to this misconception. Also, wouldn't it then posses Immeasurable speed for moving in a nonexistent event/space-time? This might also mean that he can affect low level acausal beings since it technically brought back an event that didn't exist anymore.

2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WeeklyBattles/Energy_of_a_Tornado_and_Hurricane

3. I'm fine with either rating.

4. I read it again recently, but the issue I have is how it could not one-shot Valentine or Johnny; beaking through LT would be unquantifiable though.

Speaking of which, wasn't LT capable of moving even mountains?

 

[Arigarmy]

1. It wasn't a misconception, it was an updated format applying to King Crimson's finite amount of erased time.

2. I'll probably get it up later, thanks for that.

3. I'll have to make a thread for that too since it's somewhat important.

4. No? It didn't move mountains, and never did or could do anything like it. I don't know what made that image pop in your head my guy. It's soul destruction. Araki is a hack, because people have been outright exploded by ACT4 (t. High Voltage with Diego's fangirls), even though Valentine was directly applied and Johnny just got a love tap from Diego's leg.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Tusk itself is only building, the infinite rotation is universal in AP, not destruction, ie it could harm universal characters.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Didn't Avdol only survive being shot with Emperor because he tilted his head backwards because of Hanged Man?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

He was falling yeah.

Also Emperor is seemingly a thread to large building stands.

 

[Dienomite22]

I think TA4 IR fits well with Body Control or Matter Manipulation because of the cellular spinning thing.And if a character has resistance to those things they probably could be able to stop the IR in their body.

 

[Arigarmy]

Also Emperor is seemingly a thread to large building stands.

It really shouldn't be.

 

[RevoIutionary]

@Arigarmy

Yeah, I checked the thread again, although I remember seeing this other thread of why GER doesn't qualify for immeasurable speed. But the thing is, it was interacting in and able to literally bring back an event that didn't exist anymore.

Oh no, with the mountain thing I was actually referring to Love Train, not Act 4.

 

[Arigarmy]

Exactly. I don't recall it moving mountains. You may be referring to Ticket to Ride, which is Jesus'/Lucy's stand.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

rearranged the terrain , including the coast a bit.

No mountains though.