9-B Laurie Strode / Michael downgrade

[HorrorHistory]

Bump. So we all agree that this version of Michael is 9-C?

I suppose

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Bump. So we all agree that this version of Michael is 9-C?

Now i thought about it, in the end of HK Michael hits Tommy's head with a baseball bat hard enough to explode his skull and destroy part of the said baseball bat. Eyeballing, around 1/3 of baseball bat was gone/destroyed, than this feat MIGHT be wall level depending on if we use pulverization or not. So "at least 9-C, possibly 9-B"? There is also a feat in H2018 where he off-screen deforms/breaks few bars of a spike fence, but the whole thing was off-screen and this is propably more 9-C rather than 9-B

 

[AThe1412]

Now i thought about it, in the end of HK Michael hits Tommy's head with a baseball bat hard enough to explode his skull and destroy part of the said baseball bat. Eyeballing, around 1/3 of baseball bat was gone/destroyed, than this feat MIGHT be wall level depending on if we use pulverization or not. So "at least 9-C, possibly 9-B"? There is also a feat in H2018 where he off-screen deforms/breaks few bars of a spike fence, but the whole thing was off-screen and this is propably more 9-C rather than 9-B

Pulverization seems far fetched but violent fragmentation could be a possibility. Either way, it'll only be 1/3 of the values on the calculation.

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Pulverization seems far fetched but violent fragmentation could be a possibility. Either way, it'll only be 1/3 of the values on the calculation

If you divide the pulv value in the calc by 3 or 4 it still would be wall level. But the feat doesn't show how the baseball bat was destroyed so this is a problem. That's why i said 9-C, possibly 9-B

 

[TheShape03]

Now i thought about it, in the end of HK Michael hits Tommy's head with a baseball bat hard enough to explode his skull and destroy part of the said baseball bat. Eyeballing, around 1/3 of baseball bat was gone/destroyed, than this feat MIGHT be wall level depending on if we use pulverization or not.

There is no evidence that this was pulverization, it may not even have been fragmentation as such, the bat could have simply broken into two pieces.

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

I know, that's why i said 9-C, possibly 9-B

 

[TheShape03]

There is no "possibly 9-B" here.

Possibly​

Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly.

There is 0 evidence of pulverization.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Now i thought about it, in the end of HK Michael hits Tommy's head with a baseball bat hard enough to explode his skull and destroy part of the said baseball bat. Eyeballing, around 1/3 of baseball bat was gone/destroyed, than this feat MIGHT be wall level depending on if we use pulverization or not. So "at least 9-C, possibly 9-B"? There is also a feat in H2018 where he off-screen deforms/breaks few bars of a spike fence, but the whole thing was off-screen and this is propably more 9-C rather than 9-B

I’m pretty sure the bat just broke into 2 pieces. We don’t see anything further that suggests it pulverized or even fragmented.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Yeah, I'm very agains the "possibly 9-B" here. Unless there's actual proof of straight up pulverization of the bat then this would just be him splitting it in 2, which isn't Wall level at all

 

[Raincutter]

Now i thought about it, in the end of HK Michael hits Tommy's head with a baseball bat hard enough to explode his skull and destroy part of the said baseball bat. Eyeballing, around 1/3 of baseball bat was gone/destroyed, than this feat MIGHT be wall level depending on if we use pulverization or not. So "at least 9-C, possibly 9-B"? There is also a feat in H2018 where he off-screen deforms/breaks few bars of a spike fence, but the whole thing was off-screen and this is propably more 9-C rather than 9-B

the fence looks entirely intact to me. I still think the kitchen island feat should be looked at.

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

the fence looks entirely intact to me. I still think the kitchen island feat should be looked at.

The fence istelf is intact but you can see few of the bars of it was damaged, the damage on the bars wasn't here before Michael killing Oscar (it was the name of the kid in the movie i guess) and than off-screen put his corpse on the gate. Not that the feat is very usable, it honestly doesn't go beyond "vaguely superhuman".

 

[HorrorHistory]

Maybe a “9-C, likely higher” could work.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Bump

 

[HorrorHistory]

So, Laurie's LS should be changed to Peak Human - Class 1 (Whichever one), Michael's durability in 78 should be Street level, Blumhouse's Michael should be 9-C, Green's Laurie should have Peak Human speed (I think. Maybe comparable to Michael, correct me if in wrong), and Corey should just be 9-C

 

[Raincutter]

So, Laurie's LS should be changed to Peak Human - Class 1 (Whichever one), Michael's durability in 78 should be Street level, Blumhouse's Michael should be 9-C, Green's Laurie should have Peak Human speed (I think. Maybe comparable to Michael, correct me if in wrong), and Corey should just be 9-C

honestly idk about 9-C for 2018 Myers. Someone shared this excerpt with me from the 2018 novel, and he apparently tanks an explosion:
"All three women, leaning over to witness the end, felt the concussive blast as flames engulfed the basement, consuming everything flammable within it."

 

[AThe1412]

honestly idk about 9-C for 2018 Myers. Someone shared this excerpt with me from the 2018 novel, and he apparently tanks an explosion:
"All three women, leaning over to witness the end, felt the concussive blast as flames engulfed the basement, consuming everything flammable within it."

Here's the scene in case you're wondering.

 

[Raincutter]

Here's the scene in case you're wondering.

yeah this is why I'm iffy on it. The movie does seem to have some sort of blast judging by the sound, but the overall finale is noticeably different in the novel with Myers being knocked on his ass when they set the basement alight, Karen shoots Michael in the chest instead of the face with a pistol instead of a rifle, etc, it might have been an actual explosion in the earlier draft the novel is based on

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

honestly idk about 9-C for 2018 Myers. Someone shared this excerpt with me from the 2018 novel, and he apparently tanks an explosion:
"All three women, leaning over to witness the end, felt the concussive blast as flames engulfed the basement, consuming everything flammable within it."

That's a fireball not an explosion. Explosions require pressure. There is no pressure there, its just a large puff of fire from the gasoline catching fire. You wouldn't call a flamethrower an explosion. And I'd doubt he'd scale to it either

 

[HorrorHistory]

Bump

 

[Raincutter]

Bump

Is anyone gonna apply the changes?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

The changes weren't applied so what else needs to be done here?

 

[AThe1412]

The changes weren't applied so what else needs to be done here?

Nothing. It's just no one has bothered to apply the changes yet.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Huh yeah, OP hasn't been online since that last message mid-April... What are all the changes to be made, exactly?

 

[AThe1412]

Huh yeah, OP hasn't been online since that last message mid-April... What are all the changes to be made, exactly?

So, Laurie's LS should be changed to Peak Human - Class 1 (Whichever one), Michael's durability in 78 should be Street level, Blumhouse's Michael should be 9-C, Green's Laurie should have Peak Human speed (I think. Maybe comparable to Michael, correct me if in wrong), and Corey should just be 9-C

H20 Laurie should also have Peak Human LS since she has feats from the 1978 movie.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Doesn't the OP have to make the changes?

 

[AThe1412]

Doesn't the OP have to make the changes?

Anyone can apply a CRT as long as it is accepted.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Anyone can apply a CRT as long as it is accepted.

I could apply them then. Just what are the changes again? Just to be 100% sure

 

[AThe1412]

I could apply them then. Just what are the changes again? Just to be 100% sure

So, Laurie's LS should be changed to Peak Human - Class 1 (Whichever one), Michael's durability in 78 should be Street level, Blumhouse's Michael should be 9-C, Green's Laurie should have Peak Human speed (I think. Maybe comparable to Michael, correct me if in wrong), and Corey should just be 9-C

H20 Laurie should also have Peak Human LS since she has feats from the 1978 movie.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Ah, mk

 

[HorrorHistory]

One last thing is that H20 Laurie was decided to be Wall level right? Due to being able to stagger/harm Michael

 

[AThe1412]

One last thing is that H20 Laurie was decided to be Wall level right? Due to being able to stagger/harm Michael

It wasn't decided but it does make more sense now that you mention it. I guess it can be changed.

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

One last thing is that H20 Laurie was decided to be Wall level right? Due to being able to stagger/harm Michael

Sounds bit iffy. Michael in both H20 and Ressurection was getting staggered/hurt from even the tiniest damage done to him despite the fact that said damage not even being close to kill him. In end of HR Busta shocked his nuts and it hurted him to a point where he yelled despite the fact that just after that he survived much more amount of shock. A chainsaw barely touching him was giving him physical pain despite the fact that we see him surviving getting sliced by the said chainsaw in torso. If H20 Laurie is comparable to Michael in AP and dura wouldn't the axe strike she delivered at full speed do more damage to Michael other than only breaking his skin in Halloween H20?

 

[HorrorHistory]

Sounds bit iffy. Michael in both H20 and Ressurection was getting staggered/hurt from even the tiniest damage done to him despite the fact that said damage not even being close to kill him. In end of HR Busta shocked his nuts and it hurted him to a point where he yelled despite the fact that just after that he survived much more amount of shock. A chainsaw barely touching him was giving him physical pain despite the fact that we see him surviving getting sliced by the said chainsaw in torso. If H20 Laurie is comparable to Michael in AP and dura wouldn't the axe strike she delivered at full speed do more damage to Michael other than only breaking his skin in Halloween H20?

Yeah but don't other 9-B characters get harmed by natural weapons such as axes, guns, knives, etc. Plus he easily rammed through a door, which is Wall level. Unless you deem it as an outlier

 

[HorrorHistory]

I applied the changes to the profiles

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Yeah but don't other 9-B characters get harmed by natural weapons such as axes, guns, knives, etc. Plus he easily rammed through a door, which is Wall level. Unless you deem it as an outlier

I didn't say that we should downgrade Michael's durability to 9-C or something like that. I'm aware that piercing damage is PIS-y in fiction. What i'm saying is that Michael gets physical hurt from the much lower dosages of damage that requires to actually seriously injure him. Such as him surviving getting shocked and lit by all those cables despite yelling in pain from a much smaller amount of shock to his balls or survive getting chainsawed deep by Sara despite the fact that jsut after this Sara make chainsaw barely touch Michael hurting him. If Laurie was at same strength and dursbility at Michael than in H20 with that axe strike she would have damaged him way more but instead she barely penetrated his skin. Inflicting Michael pain is ridiculously much easier than killing him in H20 timeline, or at least that's how it seems

 

[Dark-Carioca]

I applied the changes to the profiles

Unless anyone else has any disagreements about the changes, the thread can prolly be closed.

 

[Raincutter]

Unless anyone else has any disagreements about the changes, the thread can prolly be closed.

Yep