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Because why not? Green Laurie's currently 9-C for breaking a glass window and hurting a doctor. This is pretty strange when she can quite consistently harm and take attacks from Michael Myers. In Halloween 2018, she pushes Michael back to escape a chokehold. She briefly stuns him with a frying pan and takes an elbow from him. In Halloween Ends, she makes him stagger and groan in pain with physical attacks, knocks him back with a headbutt and resists, and at one point overpower him, and takes several attacks plus his trademark head stomp without her head exploding. She should downscale to an "At most 9-B" since, while she does no serious damage, her attacks clearly harm him. Her lifting strength can be "At most class 1" for making Michael struggle at times and overpowering him (albeit having him in a disadvantageous position). Though given how casual Michael's class 1 neck snaps are, she could just get a solid class 1.

On that note, the 1978 key for Myers shouldn't have 9-B durability. Surviving gunshots is more an endurance/immortality feat as the bullets went through him and the two story fall that was shown to have briefly KO'd him is nowhere near the 15 kj for wall level. The flashback scene even has a police officer knocking him out with a few baton strikes leaving him vulnerable to a headshot, which is implied fatal in these films.
 
I honestly don't even know what 9-B feat Michael has in green timeline. He should be downgraded into "at least 9-C, likely higher" or something like that.



Surviving gunshots is more an endurance/immortality feat as the bullets went through him and the two story fall that was shown to have briefly KO'd him
I wouldn't consider laying on ground like few seconds as an absolute limit for his durability, not to mention before that he gets riddled with several bullets.


is nowhere near the 15 kj for wall level.
According to the way VSBW calculates falling feats and some quick goggle researches an average american man falling from 8 meter should yield around 7k joule aka not even 9-C+
 
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Okay, but i don't recall 9-B durability feats for Michael either, the fall thing would hardly be half of absolute baseline 9B yet alone being directly 9-B (and a 9-B fall absolutelly isn't same thing with a 9-B punch) and other feats i can think of in durability feats either are about endurance (surviving getting stabbed in the neck or shot in the cheek) or things that aren't necessarily physical durability (not getting affected by being inside of a house full of flames) and he has literally get staggered by 9-C weapons
 
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KE of a car crash spreads wide over the area that's why animals with 9-C durability can survive them without getting fatally injured
is it just me or is that car clearly doesn't look like it goes at 60-70 mph?
 
is it just me or is that car clearly doesn't look like it goes at 60-70 mph?
This is a good point now that I see it, the Officer clearly accelerated to hit Michael, but saying that he was going more than 20 m/s seems very exaggerated and unfounded to me, I would probably accept downgrading him to "At least 9-C", but that will have to be done on another CRT.
Btw is it possible that Michael kicking a police partition being 9-B?
I always had a problem with that feat. When this version of Michael was profiled, it was assumed that this feat is 9-B just for the sake of it, without calculations or anything. In fact, I was planning to downgrade Michael to 9-C, but I didn't do it because well, Michael can harm those who can harm him (but I guess if his durability is not 9-B, that doesn't help much).
 
I mean, it is not impossible. I have seen a calc shoeing that being able to break a metal door off it's hinges being ranging from high end 9-C to even low end 9-B
Well.. yeah. While it’s not impossible, the difference is comparing a large metal door to a window sized backseat partition. Doesn’t really fit very well.
 
There's also a feat where Michael casually walks through a fire hose at close range in HK, which I think should be 9-B according to this if I looked it up right. That's both dura and AP right there.
 
The pressure of a firehose used by fireman didn't seem very high to me, considering that the guy was comfortably use it by himself. Also real life people have survived this. I'm not a firehose expert or something but the things said down there doesn't sound like 9-B (causing injuries on human but not killing them).
 
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Honestly, from what i have seen, there is absolutelly no calculation to put this version of Michael into 9-B. And even if you use fall thing and car the absolute highest result you will gonna get is barely 9-C+, at all (and again, a 9-B punch will gonna damage more than a 9-B fall or car crash)
 
So Laurie would have Class 1 lifting strength correct?
Didn't Michael overpower her with one hand in HE? Not to mention he was weakened there. Athletic human or above average human is fine honestly (easily overpowering a doctor and slamming him to a wall, dropping a refrigator on Michael with the said refrigator type weighing 285 pounds/130kg with almost no diff, although she obviously doesn't scale to it's full weight considering she didn't lift it but rather just toppled it by holding it from it's top)
 
Didn't Michael overpower her with one hand in HE? Not to mention he was weakened there. Athletic human or above average human is fine honestly (easily overpowering a doctor and slamming him to a wall, dropping a refrigator on Michael with the said refrigator type weighing 285 pounds/130kg with almost no diff, although she obviously doesn't scale to it's full weight considering she didn't lift it but rather just toppled it by holding it from it's top)
The novel clarifies that he was at full power after killing the cop, and that Laurie had essentially given up towards the end of the fight due to Michael's corruption ability. Otherwise, they both have moments of overpowering each other.
 
The novel clarifies that he was at full power after killing the cop

How does Michael's empowerment even work at all? He killed like over 30 people in HK and yet his feats weren't that much superior to his showings in H2018. And in Ends we have him weakened to a point where he gets heavy hurt by a single cop kick at the start of film, and yet he became full power with a single kill?
 
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I have been summoned I guess.
How does Michael's empowerment even work at all? He killed like over 30 people in HK and yet his feats weren't that much superior to his showings in H2018. And in Ends we have him weakened to a point where he gets heavy hurt by a single cop kick at the start of film, and yet he became full power with a single kill?
MIchael's baseline is not H2018 but the original Halloween 1. The fear empowerment makes him superior to that, which to be fair does happen for most, if not all, of his future movies feat wise.

So killing the cop would bring him back to his original strength, I don't think he'd peak out to his Kills mob level strength with just a kill.

For the thread I'm not against Michael getting "9-C, higher with fear empowerment" or something like that. We can use the suburb end for the car (which makes more sense anyways) as the peak of his traditional durability and Lori scales to at least Halloween 1 Michael.
 
I have been summoned I guess.

MIchael's baseline is not H2018 but the original Halloween 1. The fear empowerment makes him superior to that, which to be fair does happen for most, if not all, of his future movies feat wise.

So killing the cop would bring him back to his original strength, I don't think he'd peak out to his Kills mob level strength with just a kill.

For the thread I'm not against Michael getting "9-C, higher with fear empowerment" or something like that. We can use the suburb end for the car (which makes more sense anyways) as the peak of his traditional durability and Lori scales to at least Halloween 1 Michael.
I agree with this.
 
I have been summoned I guess.

MIchael's baseline is not H2018 but the original Halloween 1. The fear empowerment makes him superior to that, which to be fair does happen for most, if not all, of his future movies feat wise.

So killing the cop would bring him back to his original strength, I don't think he'd peak out to his Kills mob level strength with just a kill.

For the thread I'm not against Michael getting "9-C, higher with fear empowerment" or something like that. We can use the suburb end for the car (which makes more sense anyways) as the peak of his traditional durability and Lori scales to at least Halloween 1 Michael.
I agree with this also
How does Michael's empowerment even work at all? He killed like over 30 people in HK and yet his feats weren't that much superior to his showings in H2018. And in Ends we have him weakened to a point where he gets heavy hurt by a single cop kick at the start of film, and yet he became full power with a single kill?
The answer is really simple

Bad writing
 
I have been summoned I guess.

MIchael's baseline is not H2018 but the original Halloween 1. The fear empowerment makes him superior to that, which to be fair does happen for most, if not all, of his future movies feat wise.

So killing the cop would bring him back to his original strength, I don't think he'd peak out to his Kills mob level strength with just a kill.

For the thread I'm not against Michael getting "9-C, higher with fear empowerment" or something like that. We can use the suburb end for the car (which makes more sense anyways) as the peak of his traditional durability and Lori scales to at least Halloween 1 Michael.
Considering he doesn't have any quantifiable 9-B AP feats, and his 9-B dura feat KO"d him. His "transcendence" might simply be what's shown in the novel as him healing, rather than growing in strength and durability. He could simply get downgraded to 9-C overall.
Also I made a thread a while back, but his speed definitely needs an upgrade. At baseline, he should be at least as fast as Corey who straight up dodges a bullet on screen, disappearing while doing so. I've seen calcs that get perception-blitzing humans anywhere from subsonic to supersonic speed. Corey's feat is even more blatant than Thorn Michael's subsonic feat as there is no cut.
 
Considering he doesn't have any quantifiable 9-B AP feats, and his 9-B dura feat KO"d him. His "transcendence" might simply be what's shown in the novel as him healing, rather than growing in strength and durability. He could simply get downgraded to 9-C overall.
Also I made a thread a while back, but his speed definitely needs an upgrade. At baseline, he should be at least as fast as Corey who straight up dodges a bullet on screen, disappearing while doing so. I've seen calcs that get perception-blitzing humans anywhere from subsonic to supersonic speed. Corey's feat is even more blatant than Thorn Michael's subsonic feat as there is no cut.
We don't know if Corey dodged the bullet before or after it was fired since there was stepfather of Terry in front of him before it happened. Although i feel like the travel speed can get upgraded
 
Didn't Michael overpower her with one hand in HE? Not to mention he was weakened there. Athletic human or above average human is fine honestly (easily overpowering a doctor and slamming him to a wall, dropping a refrigator on Michael with the said refrigator type weighing 285 pounds/130kg with almost no diff, although she obviously doesn't scale to it's full weight considering she didn't lift it but rather just toppled it by holding it from it's top)
If not Class 1, then she should at least have Peak Human LS since Michael struggled to overpower her in a brief struggle before she gets out of it and rips his mask off
 
We don't know if Corey dodged the bullet before or after it was fired since there was stepfather of Terry in front of him before it happened. Although i feel like the travel speed can get upgraded
I mean the real feat there is that he blatantly moved too fast to be perceived (or teleported), the bullet is just the cherry on top.
 
I mean the real feat there is that he blatantly moved too fast to be perceived (or teleported), the bullet is just the cherry on top.
Like i said i agree that it can be used to at least increase travel speed. I don't know why but pages of Michael Myers states his speed as peak human for dissapearing out of eyesight despite the fact that moving FTE is considered subsonic.
 
Like i said i agree that it can be used to at least increase travel speed. I don't know why but pages of Michael Myers states his speed as peak human for dissapearing out of eyesight despite the fact that moving FTE is considered subsonic.
IIRC all of Myers FTE feats are too vague with camera cuts and what not. I tried to get him a "superhuman" rating for statements calling him a blur while killing the mob too but that didn't go through.
 
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