Peppersalt43
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You're right, it's probably an LS thing. Let's assume that for now for safety reasons
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9-A Tournament Round 1: Shoggoth vs Stormfront (GRACE)
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Peppersalt43
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They can both have Class 5 LS
She's not stupid enough to just sit around when her opponent is hiding. Of course she'll know that it'll try to ambush her
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Stormfront is "Likely Class 5" via ripping heads off, which is 1223.6595 kgf. The Shoggoth is Class 5 via flipping cars, more specifically a 1955 Ford which weighs between 1397 and 1480 kg, and that is without counting the force, plus he can also easily rip off heads and limbs. Therefore the Shoggoth has higher Lifting Strength than Stormfront
And when I said that she would just sit around? I said it's an assumption that Stormfront's first move was something she only used once. And why would she think that the Shoggoth is going underground only to ambush her? She can think he is hiding, covering or running away
Peppersalt43
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1223 and 1480. That's not even 2x
Because at some point it's probably gonna try to attack her again? I mean if I recall, SBA current specifies that both characters need to know that their opponent is gonna keep trying to hurt them
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It's still an advantage, plus Stormfront's Lifting Strength is a likely and Shoggoth's is a lowball
Again?
SBA says: "Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences", I guess you're right about that
Peppersalt43
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Which reminds me, how high can Shoggoth jump? Because if I recall, Stormfront can fly into the tops of multi-story buildings
You said 1397 to 1480. I picked the higher end on your choice
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The Shoggoth can climb trees and easily jump from one to another. If Stormfront can fly that high then it would clearly be impossible for the Shoggoth to reach her, which is why I was asking how and how much she uses her flight in combat. Although I suppose that since she is in the air the Shoggoth wouldn't be able to detect her while he is underground and he wouldn't come out of the ground
I meant that it was a lowball because the Shoggoth performed those feats very easily, and with the car I was only taking into account the mass and not the force when he flipped it
Peppersalt43
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She'll most likely start flying upon realizing she'll probably be attacked from underground which would be when the Shoggoth tries to dig
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Dig in or out of the ground?
Peppersalt43
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In
Peppersalt43
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She'll probably try to zap the ground to try and coax it out so at least there's a reason for Shoggoth to exit
Jackythejack
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this match is going slower than I expected
Peppersalt43
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Have you seen the current tourney I'm running? At least you're getting input in a day
Jackythejack
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I wasn't aware you were running one.
Peppersalt43
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The equal stats fodder. I bumped it recently to start the second round. It's in Fun & Games
Jackythejack
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Oh alright.
Well I set up round 2 to go alongside this one.
Well I set up round 2 to go alongside this one.
Peppersalt43
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Wait, what happened?
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Nothing, I just calculated the feat of the Shoggoth where he flips a car that gave Class 25 results and the calc was accepted
Jackythejack
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Has a conclusion been met yet or not really.
Peppersalt43
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OK that sucks
On the bright side, she does still outrange it and if it starts moving past her electricity, there's a good chance she'll avoid getting close to it as it would mean it's stronger than her
Peppersalt43
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I did say this is a result of Shoggoth just burrowing immediately. She would just fight it on the ground if only it stayed there
Jackythejack
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Well, would the first thing the Shoggoth do be burrow underground
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That or take advantage of the environment to make an ambush
Jackythejack
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They start in front of each other though I don't think an ambush is gonna happen
Peppersalt43
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Well then my point still stands, she'll probably fly to avoid the Shoggoth if it goes underground
Another thing to note is if she notices it just walking through her lightning. There's a good chance that if she notices that the thing is way stronger than her, there's a good chance she'll actually try to keep her distance as she's never fought off someone physically stronger than her
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If the Shoggoth attacks her directly I don't think she'll have time to realize that her electricity doesn't do much damage to him before the Shoggoth reaches her. That's because, since the speed is equalized and Stormfront has superhuman speed (12.43 - 34.3 m/s), the Shoggoth would take less than a second to cover the initial distance of 10 meters
Peppersalt43
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Then we come to the issue of which one does it do? Will it go underground or try to attack directly? Because this does lead to vastly different outcomes
Also, can't she just like, dodge if it attacks directly?
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Would that be enough to blitz though?
Peppersalt43
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Not really. Speed equalized means she can still react and dodge. It's just that her time frame is pretty short
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Since they start facing each other, the Shoggoth will most likely attack her directly, since he usually goes underground to make surprise attacks or run away. I hadn't noticed the initial distance before sorry for making a mess
I guess so, but it will be a bit difficult for her to try to dodge all the attacks since the Shoggoth has a lot at his disposal: two legs, two arms and two extra arms with very sharp claws, a lot of teeth and a tail, as well as having an advantage in lifting strength so he could knock her down
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Can't Storefront fly upwards out of range?
Peppersalt43
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Because according to them based on her fight scenes, she doesn't immediately start with it unless prompted
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I meam I think if her opponent digs itself into the ground then that may reach grounds for "prompted"
Peppersalt43
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Jackythejack
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i don't mean to rush but we really need to move this along.
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I vote for the Shoggoth because his advantages in dura and stamina will allow him to close the distance with Stormfront, who doesn't usually use her flight in combat, and in combat he has many options (6 clawed limbs, a lot of teeth and a tail) and advantages in AP and lifting strength to dismember his prey. And if she manages to fly before dying, she would end up becoming into another Shoggoth due to corruption
