4-D or 5-D

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Sorry for asking so many questions.

If a Reality that is neither of existence nor nonexistence and is outside of the Universe is stated to be boundless and free from all dualities. (Which would include Space and Time, Cause and Effect, etc.) Would that be 4-D or 5-D?

 

[Vietthai96]

I...don't even know what the hell it is

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I...don't even know what the hell it is

Something wrong with my explanation?

 

[Vietthai96]

Something wrong with my explanation?

Nothing wrong, just i don't have enough context to answer you. It could be 5D, but free from all dual system can make that shit go up to 1-A with our current duality standard

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Seems to be 4-D to me. Being free from space, time or causality doesn't seem to indicate existing above it, and existing outside of that universe could mean it's like another plane of reality, rather than one that is, again, above it

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Seems to be 4-D to me. Being free from space, time or causality doesn't seem to indicate existing above it, and existing outside of that universe could mean it's like another plane of reality, rather than one that is, again, above it

I said free but it is stated to be above/beyond duality.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Nothing wrong, just i don't have enough context to answer you. It could be 5D, but free from all dual system can make that shit go up to 1-A with our current duality standard

Well, the realm is stated to be beyond the formless system of duality and controls it if that makes it easier to categorize.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I said free but it is stated to be above/beyond duality.

Still 4-D. We don't accept the word transcend to automatically mean to literally exist above whatever they transcend. Same with being above/beyond, being that to duality can still just mean it's free of such things

 

[Vietthai96]

To be honest this require more context to evaluate

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

To be honest this require more context to evaluate

Ya, I'm just working on a blog profile, and depending on what the mods say on my interpretation I'm trying to get an idea of what kind of dimension/reality this would be.

 

[Vietthai96]

Allow me to guess, this is some kind of Chinese fiction verse right??

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Still 4-D. We don't accept the word transcend to automatically mean to literally exist above whatever they transcend. Same with being above/beyond, being that to duality can still just mean it's free of such things

Gotcha just trying to get an idea.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Allow me to guess, this is some kind of Chinese fiction verse right??

JTTW to be specific but it really depends on if the mods agree with my interpretation, if not all of this doesn't really matter.

 

[Hasty12345]

could you send the evidence?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

could you send the evidence?

Quote: Mysterious is the ultimate virtue, and the Sect of Meditation leads to Nirvana. The purity of the truth is all−knowing; it pervades the Three Regions of the universe. Through its countless changes, it controls the Negative and Positive; unbounded are the embodiments of the eternal reality.

My Interpretation: Nirvana is Mysterious as it is considered the ultimate virtue. The Sect of Mediation allows for you to achieve Nirvana.
Nirvana is all-knowing (Buddha's are stated to be all-knowing.), and it spans throughout the entire universe. It controls the Negative and Positive (The Yin and Yang, which is formless and represents all dualities in the Novel.) Being the only ones who reached Nirvana, Buddha's are the embodiments of Nirvana (The Eternal Reality, as Nirvana, is called such.)

There are other things in the Novel, like Buddha's having Infinite and Boundless power, controlling the Universe, being neither dual nor nondual, free from fate/destiny, being free of cause and effect, etc.

 

[Hasty12345]

Obviously context is key here, and I do not know a lot of the context so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.

Nirvana here at the very least seems to be it's own plane of reality, in which scaling to it (i.e. being able to destroy it) should be low 2-C.

But your question is whether it's 4D or 5D. I honestly think you have no basis for 5D. 5D is pretty strict, in the sense only specific evidence would grant low 1-C - evidence it doesn't look like this verse has.

That being said, depending on how much this verse leans into the whole "Buddhist" theme, I honestly think you'd have better luck arguing 1-A over low 1-C with the evidence it looks (key word here given I don't know the context nor do I even know the verse so I am guessing) you have.

Otherwise, low 2-C.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Obviously context is key here, and I do not know a lot of the context so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.

Nirvana here at the very least seems to be it's own plane of reality, in which scaling to it (i.e. being able to destroy it) should be low 2-C.

But your question is whether it's 4D or 5D. I honestly think you have no basis for 5D. 5D is pretty strict, in the sense only specific evidence would grant low 1-C - evidence it doesn't look like this verse has.

That being said, depending on how much this verse leans into the whole "Buddhist" theme, I honestly think you'd have better luck arguing 1-A over low 1-C with the evidence it looks (key word here given I don't know the context nor do I even know the verse so I am guessing) you have.

Otherwise, low 2-C.

Thanks for the honest answer, what kind of proof would need to be presented for 5-D?

 

[Hasty12345]

Thanks for the honest answer, what kind of proof would need to be presented for 5-D?

R-F difference or proof of an uncountably infinite difference with respect to 4D spacetime.

I just don't think the duality stuff will get low 1-C. The only way you're getting an AP tier out of that stuff is if you go straight for the 1-A arguments. Either way, you're gonna need a lot of proof, regardless of the tier you shoot for. Transdual stuff is heavily subject to "flowery language" so you're gonna wanna show every feat you can for these characters being above space and time, for anything tier 1.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

R-F difference or proof of an uncountably infinite difference with respect to 4D spacetime.

I just don't think the duality stuff will get low 1-C. The only way you're getting an AP tier out of that stuff is if you go straight for the 1-A arguments. Either way, you're gonna need a lot of proof, regardless of the tier you shoot for. Transdual stuff is heavily subject to "flowery language" so you're gonna wanna show every feat you can for these characters being above space and time, for anything tier 1.

Gotcha I appreciate it!

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait what the hell, so that just your interpretation, lol no, according to context, most of these are just flowery language, unless the there is more to the Nirvana with a clear cosmology, this hardly get into Low 1-C

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Wait what the hell, so that just your interpretation, lol no, according to context, most of these are just flowery language, unless the there is more to the Nirvana with a clear cosmology, this hardly get into Low 1-C

That's exactly what I said, if my interpretation is denied then it doesn't matter. I'm not trying to push this. But at the same time, I want to know what is taken as flowery language and what isn't.

 

[Hasty12345]

Wait what the hell, so that just your interpretation, lol no, according to context, most of these are just flowery language, unless the there is more to the Nirvana with a clear cosmology, this hardly get into Low 1-C

Obviously context is key here, and I do not know a lot of the context so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.

(key word here given I don't know the context nor do I even know the verse so I am guessing)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Wait what the hell, so that just your interpretation, lol no, according to context, most of these are just flowery language, unless the there is more to the Nirvana with a clear cosmology, this hardly get into Low 1-C

Mysterious is the ultimate virtue, and the Sect of Meditation leads to Nirvana. The purity of the truth is all−knowing; it pervades the Three Regions of the universe. Through its countless changes, it controls the Negative and Positive; unbounded are the embodiments of the eternal reality.

For example, Nirvana is all-knowing is not flowery language, as Buddha's are stated to be all-knowing. Pervading through the regions of the Universe isn't flowery either, as a Buddha's power (Dharma) is stated to encompass all of space and can control the Universe. Again Negative and Positive isn't flowery as its used multiple times and linked to the Yin and Yang, and dualities. Buddha's power is stated to be Infinite and boundless multiple times. I don't see how any of this can be considered flowery.

 

[Hasty12345]

I'm gonna be honest, if I knew this question was related to Sun Wukong I wouldn't have said anything given the history of the character on this site.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I'm gonna be honest, if I knew this question was related to Sun Wukong I wouldn't have said anything given the history of the character on this site.

Well, I didn't expect to get the Sun Wukong Profile back up without arguing back and forth. But at the same time since I'm only using the JTTW Novel, I don't have to worry about it being denied under mythological rules.

 

[Hasty12345]

Well, I didn't expect to get the Sun Wukong Profile back up without arguing back and forth. But at the same time since I'm only using the JTTW Novel, I don't have to worry about it being denied under mythological rules.

I respect you for that