4-B wolverine wtf ?

[Npc170]

Ok that page should be fix because wolverine does not have 4-B attack potency.
What we should do is erase that key and give him the ignore conventional durability explanation that we have on other character.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm not knowledgeable on the marvel comics but the 4-B key only applies for his claws. On his own, he's just 8-C. And I don't see how his claws negate durability

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I belive Zark is still working on her Marvel comics revisions; not sure how Adamantium is being effected. But at the moment, it's only his adamantium skeleton and claws that are rated the way they are; not his flesh and blood or the amount of force he can output.

 

[Npc170]

I'm not knowledgeable on the marvel comics but the 4-B key only applies for his claws. On his own, he's just 8-C. And I don't see how his claws negate durability

Well it is just the closed tag we got right now on how to describe it.
What i mean it he is just 8-C and it is thank to his claw that he could harm 4-B opponent.
the striking power behind his claw is 8-B so he should just be 8-B.
The claw should be more of a hax rather then AP

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

How is it hax? It's a physical object. The profile also very clearly says "4-B with Adamantium claws". His claws don't scale to his physicals. And his striking strength isn't 8-B

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Adamantium is basically an abnormally hard, tough, heat resistant, and sharp supermetal. And while it may have mystical properties, that's still pointing more towards it being raw AP via cutting prowess rather than "Durability negation."

 

[Eficiente]

If they were hax we would be claiming they can harm anyone with higher tiers than 4-B, which is unproven. They're not shown like a hax that can either work or be resisted, it's just a physical action.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It's not hax, they are just really sharp.

 

[Npc170]

How about we just put it in the notable technique/ability instead of the AP section of his profile ?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It's still used for AP.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

I agree with 4-B

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can u tell why u don't think it's an AP?

 

[RoyGundam]

Why is Adamantium claws not just durability negation ?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Because why should they be? There is nothing that assumes durability negation.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's just sharp enough to stab and durable enough take hits from 4-Bs.

 

[Antvasima]

If they were hax we would be claiming they can harm anyone with higher tiers than 4-B, which is unproven. They're not shown like a hax that can either work or be resisted, it's just a physical action.

That is correct, yes.

We keep getting negative reactions to our tiering of Wolverine, but this particular issue genuinely isn't our fault. It is just Marvel itself systematically using idiotic nonsense matchups to the degree that that we unfortunately have to acknowledge them.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Durability negation by definition basically means even a 10-C attack could still theoretically harm a character with High 3-A durability or possibly even far above that so as long as other contexts are met. And there's also no such thing as "It just negates durability but no explanation for why" as it's typically attacks that make use of spatial manipulation that would be solid durability negation. Or in some cases, poison also does, but all Adamantium is is just a extremely hard, tough, sharp, supermetal and thus still qualifies as its own tier via being made of Adamantium.

Though, I vaguely recall Adamantium might be downgraded to 5-A or so, but I will need to check with Zark to confirm this.

 

[KingTempest]

I would give Wolverine's case a pass, since he has solid feats that put his claws up there.
He's stabbed some of the most durable people in comics (Hulk on many occasions). He has the hardest metal in the Marvel world and it's razor sharp.
He has so many durability feats (Exhibit A, B, C, D, and E) too that it's not even funny. We get a clear separation for his physicals and his adamantium.

Saying it's dura negation out of nowhere with no backing is just being bitter (no disrespect to you, just saying). He has clear feats that put him up there, even if it doesn't make sense (I agree, it's stupid, but he still has consistent feats).

I'd say it's not dura negation because Wolverine has failed to cut through things like Mjolnir, a Morlock, and Cap's shield.

So if he gets a downgrade for other reasons, it's fine, but saying he should get a downgrade for no good reason except "It shouldn't be that high" isn't fair.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Medeus and KingTempest.

Should we close this thread?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

yep

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.