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(3 MORE VOTES) 8% Deku vs Rhino (Comics)
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I don't know how Deku can pull a win here Rhino is above 4.45 tons and Deku is 3.19 his best bet is target Rhino's face which should be far less durable
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Rhino has the AP and Dura advantage quite handily, but Deku still has enough to be able to hurt him. Honestly I'd give the win to Rhino...
If he wasn't such a large, stupid sack of muscle with easily exploitable weaknesses. Deku out thinks Rhino 6 ways from Sunday and barely takes any damage this whole fight with his ridiculously better mobility. It'll probably take a few hours but he'll wear Rhino down eventually. Even if the AP and Dura diff was definitively 2x, it still wouldn't be enough if Rhino keeps getting hit and can't retaliate properly.
If he wasn't such a large, stupid sack of muscle with easily exploitable weaknesses. Deku out thinks Rhino 6 ways from Sunday and barely takes any damage this whole fight with his ridiculously better mobility. It'll probably take a few hours but he'll wear Rhino down eventually. Even if the AP and Dura diff was definitively 2x, it still wouldn't be enough if Rhino keeps getting hit and can't retaliate properly.
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I think I'm gonna switch it to Deku King made some good points
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A 2X AP difference isn't that big, and I'm positive Izuku is more mobile than him (Mobile doesn't mean speed). He can still hurt and even defeat him with that difference. I vote Izuku as well, if Comic Rhino is as stupid as I remember.
I think he can outmaneuver and outsmart Rhino. While Rhino has enough Stamina to fight for 24 hours before he starts to tire out, I'm sure it won't become a battle of attrition and he can take him out before tiring.
I think he can outmaneuver and outsmart Rhino. While Rhino has enough Stamina to fight for 24 hours before he starts to tire out, I'm sure it won't become a battle of attrition and he can take him out before tiring.
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i'll have to go with rino here
rino is considrebly stronger then spidy(so lets just say two times for simplicity) which would put rino at 8.90 tons or 2.79 times that of deku
which is a consirable advantage
he has also been in this villian vs super hero game for a bit now which would give him a rather big advantege over the far less expirenced deku and while yes he is a bit daft his experince still gives him the advantege in the fight
the only real advantage deku has is his mobility which wouldn't mean much ageinst a guy who can pin down SPIDERMAN ''https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957862-466678-rhino1.jpg so that advantage mean little
rino is considrebly stronger then spidy(so lets just say two times for simplicity) which would put rino at 8.90 tons or 2.79 times that of deku
which is a consirable advantage
he has also been in this villian vs super hero game for a bit now which would give him a rather big advantege over the far less expirenced deku and while yes he is a bit daft his experince still gives him the advantege in the fight
the only real advantage deku has is his mobility which wouldn't mean much ageinst a guy who can pin down SPIDERMAN ''https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957862-466678-rhino1.jpg so that advantage mean little
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A 2x to 3x advantage is almost nothing dude.
Deku regular beats the hell out of people with far more experience than him, you realize that right? Experience means nothing when you're dumb as a brick. It'd take about five seconds for Deku to pin down Rhino's trucks and counter them.
One instance of pinning down Spider-man vs hundreds and thousands of instances of Spidey being able to dance circles around him.
Deku regular beats the hell out of people with far more experience than him, you realize that right? Experience means nothing when you're dumb as a brick. It'd take about five seconds for Deku to pin down Rhino's trucks and counter them.
One instance of pinning down Spider-man vs hundreds and thousands of instances of Spidey being able to dance circles around him.
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Saying "Rhino is considerably stronger than Spider man so let's just multiply spider man's strength by two" is kinda faulty logic. He's unquantifiably higher than spider man, who can still damage and take hits from him anyway, so I don't think you can just slap a number on it.
Deku has fought and come up with counters almost on the spot against villians that have been around for years as well, like the Gentle Criminal. Rhino does have the experience advantage, but Deku has closed that gap before with his analysis.
Count the number of times Rhino has pinned spidey vs the number spider man has laughed at Rhino for not being able to catch him. Deku has very comparable movement to spidey, isn't that much weaker, and is ridiculously smarter than Rhino on even his best days. Deku would pick Rhino's fighting abilities apart and lay the smack down on him.
Deku also has the range advantage with his air gauntlets which hurt people on his level, so he could just range spam Rhino down eventually.
Deku has fought and come up with counters almost on the spot against villians that have been around for years as well, like the Gentle Criminal. Rhino does have the experience advantage, but Deku has closed that gap before with his analysis.
Count the number of times Rhino has pinned spidey vs the number spider man has laughed at Rhino for not being able to catch him. Deku has very comparable movement to spidey, isn't that much weaker, and is ridiculously smarter than Rhino on even his best days. Deku would pick Rhino's fighting abilities apart and lay the smack down on him.
Deku also has the range advantage with his air gauntlets which hurt people on his level, so he could just range spam Rhino down eventually.
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its a consirable avantage my guy(considering that a 7 times AP is enough to littrealy kill you in a single shot) enough for a single hit to do some real damage(not to mention that the 2 times stronger then spiderman is a low ball)The Wright Way said:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...5vgwrKIB0H5pWBCmiqGveQMdVxGHcCZ19RqJnrXaDs=s0
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https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957870-1405068589243.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yUB2aGU.jpg (rips off scorpions tale who is on spidermans level)
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here he beats down the new rino who tanked attacks from spiderman
like who? lets go through this first fight ageinst a person who could be considered expirensed in fighting was stain where he basicly got taken out in a split second and even with help from Todoroki and lida he still was getting paralized practicly every time he attacked stain and thats with the consideration of his O blood type which gave him an advantage over stain as his ability wouldn't work long on that blood type,
the other expirenced opponent he fought was muscular who is pretty much just rino aka brutish and sinle minded and the way he won that fight was basicly out punching muscular with the 1,000,000% smash and with this being 8% deku that ain't happening,
The other "expirenced" opponent he fought was overhaul who simply relied on his maga overpowered quirk hell he was getting absolutly destroyed in his fight with Mirio due to the fact that he could bypass his quirk hell even when he lost his quirk mirio was still putting up a good fight ageinst overhaul showing us even more that overhaul while smart isn't really expirenced in flat out fights with some one like Shigaraki who is actually expirnced nearly killing him when things whent south in their first meeting with him only surviving by useing one of his men as a shield and even in his fight with overhaul deku relied heavly on the pure power advantage with the 100% mode,
The last fight would be gentle who while skilled in hand to hand fighting choses to run away then he fights when matched up ageinst pro heros hell he tried to run away form deku but got cought due to deku's speed hell even in his fight when he held the power adventege after his love power up he still got beaten down by a charater who isn't even considered on pro hero level yet and is defenitly no where near spidermans level of skill who rino can keep up with
"One instance of pinning down Spider-man vs hundreds and thousands of instances of Spidey being able to dance circles around him"
ok first lets get one things straight here spider man is far more agile then and unlike spiderman deku ain't got a danger sense that alerts him every time he is about to get hit
lets go through "Some" of the times rino taged/hit/grabed or nearly killed spiderman
https://im0-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=0f8be9c71e6f944cb18e73707828639f-l&n=13&w=1000&h=1500
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https://i.imgur.com/TLVHRNu.jpg
https://imgur.com/a/Akh71 (also shows that rino is far stronger then spidy)
https://i.imgur.com/MYv17jz.jpg
here he nearly killed spidy off screen which should count for somthing although not much since off screen
https://i.imgur.com/uGfMtyg.jpg
there is also this time he cought silver sable who is rather agile
https://imgur.com/Ti9BZJb
i'd go further into it but there are so many rino vs spidy fights that this would take me days to go through
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A couple things
1. Don't use Overhaul or Mirio to attempt to downplay Deku, Mirio has a Quirk that makes him untouchable to Deku, is far faster and is a far better fighter the same goes for Overhaul who can predict Mirio's movements and attacks
2. He didn't have ranged attacks vs Stain,
3. Don't try to downplay Overhaul by saying Shigaraki almost killed him Shigaraki attacked him when he was busy rubbing himself due to having blood on his body it wasn't as though Shigaraki out right blitzed him
4. Deku is undoubtedly on pro level what are you talking about? His 8% contended with LM Gentle who stomps multiple pro heroes at once
5. 2x really isn't that big you're trying to say oh 7x is a oneshot (which isn't even a guaranteed kill since a oneshot could be KOing someone in one blow) when a 7x difference is way more than a 2x difference
1. Don't use Overhaul or Mirio to attempt to downplay Deku, Mirio has a Quirk that makes him untouchable to Deku, is far faster and is a far better fighter the same goes for Overhaul who can predict Mirio's movements and attacks
2. He didn't have ranged attacks vs Stain,
3. Don't try to downplay Overhaul by saying Shigaraki almost killed him Shigaraki attacked him when he was busy rubbing himself due to having blood on his body it wasn't as though Shigaraki out right blitzed him
4. Deku is undoubtedly on pro level what are you talking about? His 8% contended with LM Gentle who stomps multiple pro heroes at once
5. 2x really isn't that big you're trying to say oh 7x is a oneshot (which isn't even a guaranteed kill since a oneshot could be KOing someone in one blow) when a 7x difference is way more than a 2x difference
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1) Every single scan you just posted came without any context attached, and some don't even look to be from the same comic line or universe, so idk how credible most of them are, or what circumstances happened that allowed most of these scenarios to occur. How am I supposed to know if you posted legitimate feats for Rhino, or a bunch of PIS?
2) None of the scans you posted show Rhino definitively being 2x stronger than Spider man. He's considerably stronger, but Spider Man, even in the scans you posted, can beat him around and take hits from him. So the strength gap clearly isn't large.
3) The villains you named would obliterate Rhino in terms of fighting skill. This is the guy whose best trait is running at the enemy head first, and maybe reaching out to grab them once in a while. Being a villain for a long time does not guarantee a ridiculously high skill level, and given Rhino has barely changed tactics in all his years of villainy, I don't think he's outskilling anyone any time soon.
Overhaul being able to fight Mirio for 5 minutes straight with a broken arm so he couldn't use his quirk to its full capability is a positive feat not a negative. Mirio is a comparable fighter to Sir Nighteye, whose entire fighting style revolves around analysis and prediction to an insane degree, and he'd been practicing it for at least nearly 15 years. Mirio was better than even Sir at fighting due to his ridiculous skill, but Overhaul lasted fighting the guy for five minutes straight with a broken arm.
Gentle is so much more skilled than Rhino it's hilarious. The guy was trick shotting Deku's own air blasts back at him seconds after learning they existed, could become completely untraceable with his quirk usage despite Deku being faster than him (pre lover mode), could apply his quirk mid air to change trajectory on a dime, and spammed his elasticity in counter to Deku's fighting style, even using it on his cape when he realized Deku was using it to throw him. Gentle is a ridiculously skilled fighter, and has displayed far more intelligence and ability in 5 chapters than I've seen from rhino in my entire life.
Deku beat Gentle due to skill not speed. Gentle was more than fast enough to keep up with 8%, and was stronger than him as well, but Deku's adaptability and skill let him win. Don't downplay Gentle like he got stomped in every stat, Deku out thought him and won.
Muscular I guess is comparable to Rhino, but he beat Deku up due to the ridiculous strength and speed gap between them, where Deku couldn't hurt Muscular at all with any attack he threw at him. Which is not a problem in this fight because Deku can actually hurt Rhino.
Rhino is so incredibly simple in comparison to these characters it's not even funny. He has 2 methods of attack in a speed equalized fight against a character with ranged attacks, better mobility, MUCH higher intelligence, an analysis and prediction based fighting style, and enough AP and Dura to take and dish back hits. He's literally fighting a mini spider man with ranged attacks that actually hurt him and ridiculous combat adaptability.
Deku does have comparable mobility to spider man. His movements are ridiculously precise and calculated, allowing him to bounce around off walls, jump incredibly high, and with Air Force have pseudo flight. Rhino is not catching Deku with speed equalized, especially with Deku predicting his every move like it's nothing because Rhino is an absolute idiot in comparison to him.
Deku didn't have range against Stain to spam, what are you talking about? He got his Air Force gauntlets vs gentle and has shot them out casually in battle ever since. And his Air Force is comparable to his punches, they hurt people on his own tier. You're right in that air pressure is weaker than actual hits, but that doesn't matter because his Air Force blasts come from 20% on his fingers not 8%, hence why they hurt other characters.
2) None of the scans you posted show Rhino definitively being 2x stronger than Spider man. He's considerably stronger, but Spider Man, even in the scans you posted, can beat him around and take hits from him. So the strength gap clearly isn't large.
3) The villains you named would obliterate Rhino in terms of fighting skill. This is the guy whose best trait is running at the enemy head first, and maybe reaching out to grab them once in a while. Being a villain for a long time does not guarantee a ridiculously high skill level, and given Rhino has barely changed tactics in all his years of villainy, I don't think he's outskilling anyone any time soon.
Overhaul being able to fight Mirio for 5 minutes straight with a broken arm so he couldn't use his quirk to its full capability is a positive feat not a negative. Mirio is a comparable fighter to Sir Nighteye, whose entire fighting style revolves around analysis and prediction to an insane degree, and he'd been practicing it for at least nearly 15 years. Mirio was better than even Sir at fighting due to his ridiculous skill, but Overhaul lasted fighting the guy for five minutes straight with a broken arm.
Gentle is so much more skilled than Rhino it's hilarious. The guy was trick shotting Deku's own air blasts back at him seconds after learning they existed, could become completely untraceable with his quirk usage despite Deku being faster than him (pre lover mode), could apply his quirk mid air to change trajectory on a dime, and spammed his elasticity in counter to Deku's fighting style, even using it on his cape when he realized Deku was using it to throw him. Gentle is a ridiculously skilled fighter, and has displayed far more intelligence and ability in 5 chapters than I've seen from rhino in my entire life.
Deku beat Gentle due to skill not speed. Gentle was more than fast enough to keep up with 8%, and was stronger than him as well, but Deku's adaptability and skill let him win. Don't downplay Gentle like he got stomped in every stat, Deku out thought him and won.
Muscular I guess is comparable to Rhino, but he beat Deku up due to the ridiculous strength and speed gap between them, where Deku couldn't hurt Muscular at all with any attack he threw at him. Which is not a problem in this fight because Deku can actually hurt Rhino.
Rhino is so incredibly simple in comparison to these characters it's not even funny. He has 2 methods of attack in a speed equalized fight against a character with ranged attacks, better mobility, MUCH higher intelligence, an analysis and prediction based fighting style, and enough AP and Dura to take and dish back hits. He's literally fighting a mini spider man with ranged attacks that actually hurt him and ridiculous combat adaptability.
Deku does have comparable mobility to spider man. His movements are ridiculously precise and calculated, allowing him to bounce around off walls, jump incredibly high, and with Air Force have pseudo flight. Rhino is not catching Deku with speed equalized, especially with Deku predicting his every move like it's nothing because Rhino is an absolute idiot in comparison to him.
Deku didn't have range against Stain to spam, what are you talking about? He got his Air Force gauntlets vs gentle and has shot them out casually in battle ever since. And his Air Force is comparable to his punches, they hurt people on his own tier. You're right in that air pressure is weaker than actual hits, but that doesn't matter because his Air Force blasts come from 20% on his fingers not 8%, hence why they hurt other characters.
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eh this is the last thing im going to put here tonight cuse im gona sleep in 30 mins
1. not useing mirio with his quirk as an example of skill i never even compered him to deku i was more so useing him as a gage for overhauls skill level and my main point was that when mirio lost his quirk he was still able to keep up and damage overhaul without his quirk.
2. really? damn need to rewatch that fight.
3. eh the point there was how overhaul got jumped by him even though he was in direct sight line which is something an expirenced fighter wouldn't let happen so easily and i wasn't claiming he blitzed him so i don't know where that is coming from
4. if we talk physically yes he is pro level cuse you know one for all, i was more so talking expirence and skill cuse in those categories he loses out to most pro heros but since he can pretty much one shot most it doesn't matter to much (same gose for gantle stomping multiple pro heros).
5. ageing the 2x spider mans AP is more so a minimum for rino considering that he has nearly knocked spiderman out with one punch on multiple occasions as well as overpowered him casually on many others and even at a minimum rinos ap is 2.8 times that of deku which is a pretty big advantage.
well anyway i'll come on to debate this some more tommorow have a lovely evening/day/morning im off to sleep
1. not useing mirio with his quirk as an example of skill i never even compered him to deku i was more so useing him as a gage for overhauls skill level and my main point was that when mirio lost his quirk he was still able to keep up and damage overhaul without his quirk.
2. really? damn need to rewatch that fight.
3. eh the point there was how overhaul got jumped by him even though he was in direct sight line which is something an expirenced fighter wouldn't let happen so easily and i wasn't claiming he blitzed him so i don't know where that is coming from
4. if we talk physically yes he is pro level cuse you know one for all, i was more so talking expirence and skill cuse in those categories he loses out to most pro heros but since he can pretty much one shot most it doesn't matter to much (same gose for gantle stomping multiple pro heros).
5. ageing the 2x spider mans AP is more so a minimum for rino considering that he has nearly knocked spiderman out with one punch on multiple occasions as well as overpowered him casually on many others and even at a minimum rinos ap is 2.8 times that of deku which is a pretty big advantage.
well anyway i'll come on to debate this some more tommorow have a lovely evening/day/morning im off to sleep
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1. Mirio still has superior reflexes to Deku and is a far better fighter and has higher AP to boot and was able to get close to OH by throwing his aide at him while he was off guard because most people after losing their power that they've spent like a decade training wouldn't have it in them to fight
3. Overhaul wasn't looking at Shigaraki him getting jumped doesn't lessen his fighting skill at all
4. Deku is pro level then
5. 2.8 is a good advantage but is countered by Deku's advantages
3. Overhaul wasn't looking at Shigaraki him getting jumped doesn't lessen his fighting skill at all
4. Deku is pro level then
5. 2.8 is a good advantage but is countered by Deku's advantages
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Voting Rhino for Sir sun man's reasons.
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All his reasons were debunked though?
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Deku for basically being like a less experienced Spider-Man FRA. He should win with quick thinking and mobility.
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i haven't even answered the "debunk" cuse i was sleepingKingofwolves999 said:
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i haven't even answered the "debunk" cuse i was sleepingKingofwolves999 said:
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Rhino FRA.
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Kingofwolves999 said:
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Oh, that sure was an awkward time to post my second rebuttal that takes away several points from the first
Just gonna move that down real quick-
Just gonna move that down real quick-
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Alright, I think it's best for me to admit that I've been downplaying Rhino quite a bit in this thread. After looking over some comics and feats of the guy, he can be pretty nimble when he wants to be, and has some really good feats that put him solidly above spidey in strength and dura. Seriously, I have a newfound respect for how good Rhino actually is at what he does, but I don't think he's taking this fight.
First off, Spider man can still hurt Rhino, despite the clear gap in stats there. Spidey is stronger than Deku in this key, so Deku definitely won't be doing the same damage, but even if it's 3 tons vs 9 tons, eventually, Deku's going to win as long as he himself doesn't get caught, which is where the bulk of my argument comes from.
Even with the feats I've seen from Rhino where he catches nimble characters like spidey, Samson and silver sable, he mostly does it because they underestimate how fast he is due to his size, often writing his speed off completely, leading them to getting hit when they realize they were wrong. Deku doesn't have this problem though, as not only is speed equalized, but Deku has never underestimated anyone whom he's in a fight with. Deku is fully capable of reacting to any of Rhino's attacks despite his surprising amount of swiftness, but more importantly, Rhino is still incredibly predictable in comparison to the characters Deku has fought like Gentle and Bakugo, who can completely shift momentum immediately while midair and attack at the same time. Rhino isn't swift enough or unpredictable enough for Deku to not just dodge his every hit. He's not SUPER dumb, but he is easily out smarted, and that's pretty consistent throughout his comic history.
Deku still has a great range advantage btw in his Air Force gauntlets, which, due to being used with 20%, are capable of harming people comparable to him. Similar to Deku's actual attacks, his air pressure isn't enough to seriously hurt Rhino, but over the course of a few hours, he's going to be feeling the numerous hits he's bound to take during this fight.
All Deku has to do this fight is not get grabbed or take too many swats to the face and he can win. Despite Rhino being deceptively nimble, he's still no where near mobile enough to tag Deku consistently, especially once Deku has analyzed his movements after a minute or so.
Deku can definitely win this slug fest as long as he makes good use of his range and takes advantage of Rhino's intelligence. Long fight but Deku has the stamina to last as long as he isn't taking too much damage like Rhino will be.
I do have large respect for Aleksei now though.
First off, Spider man can still hurt Rhino, despite the clear gap in stats there. Spidey is stronger than Deku in this key, so Deku definitely won't be doing the same damage, but even if it's 3 tons vs 9 tons, eventually, Deku's going to win as long as he himself doesn't get caught, which is where the bulk of my argument comes from.
Even with the feats I've seen from Rhino where he catches nimble characters like spidey, Samson and silver sable, he mostly does it because they underestimate how fast he is due to his size, often writing his speed off completely, leading them to getting hit when they realize they were wrong. Deku doesn't have this problem though, as not only is speed equalized, but Deku has never underestimated anyone whom he's in a fight with. Deku is fully capable of reacting to any of Rhino's attacks despite his surprising amount of swiftness, but more importantly, Rhino is still incredibly predictable in comparison to the characters Deku has fought like Gentle and Bakugo, who can completely shift momentum immediately while midair and attack at the same time. Rhino isn't swift enough or unpredictable enough for Deku to not just dodge his every hit. He's not SUPER dumb, but he is easily out smarted, and that's pretty consistent throughout his comic history.
Deku still has a great range advantage btw in his Air Force gauntlets, which, due to being used with 20%, are capable of harming people comparable to him. Similar to Deku's actual attacks, his air pressure isn't enough to seriously hurt Rhino, but over the course of a few hours, he's going to be feeling the numerous hits he's bound to take during this fight.
All Deku has to do this fight is not get grabbed or take too many swats to the face and he can win. Despite Rhino being deceptively nimble, he's still no where near mobile enough to tag Deku consistently, especially once Deku has analyzed his movements after a minute or so.
Deku can definitely win this slug fest as long as he makes good use of his range and takes advantage of Rhino's intelligence. Long fight but Deku has the stamina to last as long as he isn't taking too much damage like Rhino will be.
I do have large respect for Aleksei now though.
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Bad timing. XD
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yeah holy hellKingofwolves999 said:
only 3 min difference
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Yeah lol
Anyway, I'll settle on Deku wins High Diff. Rhino is an actual tank, but Deku has enough advantages that he can pull this off.
Anyway, I'll settle on Deku wins High Diff. Rhino is an actual tank, but Deku has enough advantages that he can pull this off.
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well this was a legitamatly good debate not gona lie
good points all around
now its up to other people to decide who wins this i suppose
been nice debating ya @kingofwolves
good points all around
now its up to other people to decide who wins this i suppose
been nice debating ya @kingofwolves
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Same to you @Sir sun man
Very good points and defense. Respect to you.
Very good points and defense. Respect to you.
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Deku for reasons above.
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I think that's grace? Me, Insert, Sora, Rusty, Wright(?), Maru and Tony.
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Yes, I'm voting for Deku FRA.
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deku FRA
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Deku FRA
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It's been 24 hours since the 7th vote. Can this be added?
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