1A+ range mistake

[Grabbing_dragon]

This is a simple thread, as it says 1A+ range mistake.

So, this is what it says on the range page for 1A+.

Outerversal+: Attacks and abilities that can reach an infinite number of hierarchical steps above "baseline" 1-A realms and structures.

The issue here is that 1A+ is described as encompassing only a countable infinity or aleph null layers of hierarchical steps or levels above baseline 1A structures, when really that is not the case.

1A+ encompasses any imaginable infinity levels, not just countable infinity layers .

So the wording should be similar to Low 1A, since it encompasses all possible dimensional levels.

1A+ encompasses infinite layers above baseline 1A to all possible amounts.

The wording should be something like this.

Outerversal+: Attacks and abilities that can reach at least countably infinite hierarchical steps above "baseline" 1-A realms and structures, and can also extend to any possible hierarchical steps with any form of infinity.

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[Wikisource]

Yea, but isn't this should be in staff discussion? I mean this is a crt that revise wiki's standard?

 

[FinePoint]

1-A+ should indeed include higher infinities as well, but I believe @DontTalkDT was very picky on the wording of that before, so they should probably look this over.

 

[DontTalkDT]

The issue here is that 1A+ is described as encompassing only a countable infinity or aleph null layers of hierarchical steps or levels above baseline 1A structures, when really that is not the case.

But... it doesn't say that?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

But... it doesn't say that?

It still needs a better explanation with more detail. How are people supposed to know that 1A+ extends to all other infinities when it is literally not stated on the pages that are supposed to explain this stuff? When it only mentions reaching an infinite number, the only logical conclusion to make is that it only extends to aleph null. For example, would you argue that when a verse states there exists an infinite number of worlds, it extends to all other infinities, even when it is not explicitly stated?

This is how misleading it is . here ,here ,here ,here etc

Lastly, those who don't read/use forum and only use the VSBW tier system wouldn't know, as it is not stated on the pages.

 

[DontTalkDT]

hen it only mentions reaching an infinite number, the only logical conclusion to make is that it only extends to aleph null.

Eh, mathematicians would disagree with you there.

For example, would you argue that when a verse states there exists an infinite number of worlds, it extends to all other infinities, even when it is not explicitly stated?

I would argue that "an infinite number" refers to some cardinal and that we don't know which one and we hence default to the lowest. I wouldn't argue that such a statement can not include it. Different case.

This is how misleading it is . here ,here ,here ,here etc

Fair enough.

Then I would put it as:

Outerversal+: Attacks and abilities that can reach at least countably infinite hierarchical steps above "baseline" 1-A realms and structures.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with DontTalk's solution here.

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What do you think?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I am fine with DontTalk's solution here.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr. Bambu @Just_a_Random_Butler @Agnaa @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @GrathOfLux @Dereck03 @Planck69 @LephyrTheRevanchist

What do you think?

Apologies, Ant, but I don't involve myself on 1-A topics.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

DT's suggestion looks alright.

 

[Elizhaa]

DontTalkDT's suggestion looks fine.

 

[Agnaa]

I'm fine with that, but I agree with DT that this doesn't really matter. Range ratings are generally supposed to be minimums (this can be seen with Universal).

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I'm fine with that, but I agree with DT that this doesn't really matter. Range ratings are generally supposed to be minimums (this can be seen with Universal).

Ok, thanks. But can you please change the page to this since it won the votes.

Outerversal+: Attacks and abilities that can reach at least countably infinite hierarchical steps above "baseline" 1-A realms and structures.

And close this thread as well.

 

[Agnaa]

I might be able to do so later tonight or tomorrow, but not now, sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

Should I update the range rating to DontTalk's suggestion then?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

Should I update the range rating to DontTalk's suggestion then?

Yes, please, and thank you.

 

[Antvasima]

I need a go-ahead from other staff members first.

 

[Agnaa]

We've had four admins agreeing, so it should be good to apply.

 

[Antvasima]

I have handled it:

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Tbank you to everybody who helped out here.