Ken Kaneki vs Ryomen Sukuna [19-13-0]

[Apotheosis69]

Due to the updating of both participants Stats Values. This is different from a previous thread of Kaneki vs Sukuna.

Rules​

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• "Full Power" Megumi Sukuna and "Post-Dragon" Kaneki are used.
  • Kaneki starts at 7-C.
• Kaneki has Full Prior Knowledge about Ryomen Sukuna's abilities and powers.
• Battle takes place at Shinjuku.
• Speed is equalized.
• Win-con is Death.
• Sukuna has Supreme Martial Solution.

Statistics Values​

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ㅤ​	Ken Kaneki​	Ryomen Sukuna
AP/Striking Strength & Durability	>88.23852 Kilotons. Can constantly grow stronger with Accelerated Development and Reactive Evolution, up to 4.33055 Megatons. All higher with Kakuja.	514.24292 Kilotons, >550 Kilotons AP with Shrine, far higher AP with Divine Flame. All higher with Domain Expansion, Black Flash and True Form
Lifting Strength	529 Million Metric Tons	>852,828 Metric Tons, higher with Domain Expansion

Music​

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Inconclusive​

 

[Apotheosis69]

Inb4 this is another stomp... Cus this is my life

 

[NikHelton]

Wouldn't it be better to remove the Low 7-B restriction? I mean, the Divine Flame is much higher than Jogo's 740 KT, and the Expansion of the Territory is even stronger.

When Sukuna summons the Mahoraga, Kaneki's only chance to win will be annihilation by superior might.

 

[Arkenis]

Possibly a stomp. It's already an ap stomp nearing the one shot gap (5.8x). Even with Kaneki growing stronger Sukuna's dismantle is strong enough to wound Gojo and Kaneki isn't gonna jump a whole 5x stronger fast just cause he could one shot Furuta. Though if I'm wrong someone can show the examples of him gaining bigger amps. Kaneki's got greater LS but having higher durability negates him crushing Sukuna, Sukuna can also just cleave. Sukuna's also got the ability to summon Mahoraga who could hypothetically adapt to Kaneki's regeneration and nullify it. There's several things like Domain, bfr, layered invis dismantle, shikigami invis, fuga and the fact Mahoraga is there at any time to block an attack or destroy an attack.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Its not in character for Sukuna for expand his Domain right away, let alone use Divine Flame. He literally prolonges battles to see how strong his opponent is…

Hence against Jogo, and Mahoraga. Even Gojo

Kaneki has High-Mid regeneration. So honestly only Divine Flame and possibly Domain Expansion can permanently end him. But obv Sukuna wouldn't know that instantly

There's several things like Domain, [bfr]…

What BFR…

 

[Arkenis]

Wouldn't it be better to remove the Low 7-B restriction? I mean, the Divine Flame is much higher than Jogo's 740 KT, and the Expansion of the Territory is even stronger.

When Sukuna summons the Mahoraga, Kaneki's only chance to win will be annihilation by superior might.

I don't think it matters. If you don't then Kaneki ends up reaching a L7B (4megatons) in a short time and blows Sukuna away.

What BFR…

Shadows

 

[NikHelton]

I think it would fit perfectly into the fight

 

[Apotheosis69]

I have forgotten, that whole thing in the Kyoichiro thread.

There's no BFR in the P&A for Megumi or Sukuna's Chimera. The only thing thats even close to it is parts of the body being stuck to restrict their movements.

 

[Arkenis]

I have forgotten, that whole thing in the Kyoichiro thread.

There's no BFR in the P&A for Megumi or Sukuna's Chimera.

or drag other people into the shadows in order to stun and immobilize their movements

 

[NikHelton]

Possibly a stomp. It's already an ap stomp nearing the one shot gap (5.8x). Even with Kaneki growing stronger Sukuna's dismantle is strong enough to wound Gojo and Kaneki isn't gonna jump a whole 5x stronger fast just cause he could one shot Furuta. Though if I'm wrong someone can show the examples of him gaining bigger amps.

It all depends on the amount of damage.

When Furuta went into a kakuja state and began to suppress him, it took Kaneki several pages to rise under the onslaught of his blows and crush it with oneshot.

When Dragon completely crushed him, and then destroyed his entire body - Kaneki became strong enough to annihilate the Dragon with oneshot.

Let's just say that Sukuna's normal attacks will not strengthen Kaneki as quickly as if he immediately tried to cut him into dozens of pieces.

However, I will say right away that Kaneki's RE is limited by his stamina. Sure, he was exhausted in the final Arc, but nevertheless, he cannot become stronger infinitely without replenishing energy.

Sukuna's also got the ability to summon Mahoraga who could hypothetically adapt to Kaneki's regeneration and nullify it.

It's not like Sukuna did it from the start, but yes, Mahoraga will be able to adapt to Kaneki's regeneration. It will take time, though.

There's several things like Domain

f Kaneki has leveled his stats by then, the Domain will be nullified by regeneration, just like it was in the battle with Satoru.

bfr

I don't remember Sukuna having BFR, but if he does, it works.

But would Sukuna give up an interesting fight just to seal the enemy and deprive himself of the fun?

layered invis dismantle, shikigami invis, fuga and the fact Mahoraga is there at any time to block an attack or destroy an attack.

Kaneki's instinctive reaction should help him with this because he already had the feat of dodging and fighting on instinct when he didn't even see his enemy.

 

[Arkenis]

However, I will say right away that Kaneki's RE is limited by his stamina. Sure, he was exhausted in the final Arc, but nevertheless, he cannot become stronger infinitely without replenishing energy.

Then it's gonna be hard against Sukuna to do that.

It's not like Sukuna did it from the start, but yes, Mahoraga will be able to adapt to Kaneki's regeneration. It will take time, though.

It did so early on.

f Kaneki has leveled his stats by then, the Domain will be nullified by regeneration, just like it was in the battle with Satoru.

Show when Kaneki had regeneration powerful enough to keep him together against potentially thousands of attacks one shotting him.

But would Sukuna give up an interesting fight just to seal the enemy and deprive himself of the fun?

Unlikely but he could still use it for short redirects.

Kaneki's instinctive reaction should help him with this because he already had the feat of dodging and fighting on instinct when he didn't even see his enemy.

That's blurred vision and not an invis opponent. You'd have to prove he can sense the shikigami for his IA to activate. This also seems like him being a good fighter than anything else.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Yeah Ten Shadows Technique does not have BFR. Only restrict his opponents movements, even then he can get out of it, just like what Gojo did.

And again Sukuna wants a fight to last to gauge out how strong his opponent is.

 

[NikHelton]

Then it's gonna be hard against Sukuna to do that.

Yes, that's why they both have wincons

It did so early on.

In the fight against Satoru, it was necessary and part of the plan. I'm not sure he would use it against an enemy that was getting stronger and regenerating (hell, this is literally his fight against Mahoraga). He would probably try to overwhelm him with his sheer power, like he did in the battle in Shibuya.

Show when Kaneki had regeneration powerful enough to keep him together against potentially thousands of attacks one shotting him.

Against a relatively equal opponent, these would be normal deep wounds. That's why Gojo survived this, simply regenerating damage from dozens of cuts.

His much weaker version managed to regenerate multiple blows while he was thrown into the air and fully regenerated limbs several times when they were immediately chopped off. His Post-Dragon version regenerated after being chewed right in the teeth of an opponent, tearing them apart from the inside.

Unlikely but he could still use it for short redirects.

Either way, it'll be useful against Kaneki. It's a good wincon

That's blurred vision and not an invis opponent. You'd have to prove he can sense the shikigami for his IA to activate. This also seems like him being a good fighter than anything else.

His eyes are literally closed at this point and he relies entirely on his instincts and heightened senses at this point. This is the same way Toji fights Curses if I'm not mistaken.

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah Ten Shadows Technique does not have BFR. Only restrict his opponents movements, even then he can get out of it, just like what Gojo did.

And again Sukuna wants a fight to last to gauge out how strong his opponent is.

In that case, it will cost him dearly. Once Kaneki has a stat advantage, normal slashes will be of little use against him. World Slash is also completely useless because Kaneki simply recovers from it. Kaneki also resists the Divine Flame, masturbating above the Tatara Flame, which reaches 4000 degrees Celsius.

Kaneki's hacks should not be discounted either. He can copy the kagune he has seen before, giving him access to force field creation, electricity manipulation, duplication, and other things. The force field can be useful when Sukuna uses Domain Expansion. The duplicates are good combat units, although they cannot regenerate, and are also glass cannons. Kaneki is also clever in using his abilities and strategizing around them. He can replicate the grid Sukuna used against Kashimo and make it out of kagune. Grab Sukuna with tentacles from underground. Create kagune mines that will attack Sukuna when they approach. He can also trick him with mouth kagune or clones to make a surprise attack.

 

[NikHelton]

I'll wait for other people to see their opinion. For now, my vote is for Kaneki

 

[LaserPrecision]

Against a relatively equal opponent, these would be normal deep wounds. That's why Gojo survived this, simply regenerating damage from dozens of cuts.

The very first slash nearly took Gojo's entire head off until he quickly applied RCT. But someone else regenerating from Malevolent Shrine doesn't mean anyone else with higher level regen can do it. The reason Gojo survives isn't because of how potent his regeneration is, but because of how quickly/rapid it is. Gojo is regenerating faster than millions, if not billions of slashes are cutting him up. That's a regeneration speed feat. He heals faster than he can be cut up from that many slashes (So many that he was literally bleeding from every pore in his body and looked like a black figure). Kaneki would need a feat of regenerating from being attacked millions of times per second to not be cut up into fine particles.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Yeah, Toji and Maki can see entirely invisible Curses and Cursed Energy due to their enhanced senses

Cursed Energy itself exists in the spectrum as a "second light".

 

[LaserPrecision]

Kaneki also resists the Divine Flame, masturbating above the Tatara Flame, which reaches 4000 degrees Celsius.

Did you mean to say masturbating..?
Jogo can generate flames that can flash-vaporize metal's with a boiling point in excess of 5500°C (And is a living volcano made partially out of boiling hot magma). Sukuna's normal Divine Flame reduced Jogo to a pile of ash instantly. Let alone the one he uses with his Domain Expansion that superheats and detonates particles. So I don't think a resistance to 4000 degrees will matter too much.

 

[NikHelton]

The very first slash nearly took Gojo's entire head off until he quickly applied RCT. But someone else regenerating from Malevolent Shrine doesn't mean anyone else with higher level regen can do it. The reason Gojo survives isn't because of how potent his regeneration is, but because of how quickly/rapid it is. Gojo is regenerating faster than millions, if not billions of slashes are cutting him up. That's a regeneration speed feat. He heals faster than he can be cut up from that many slashes (So many that he was literally bleeding from every pore in his body and looked like a black figure). Kaneki would need a feat of regenerating from being attacked millions of times per second to not be cut up into fine particles.

If that were true, Gojo wouldn't have survived that area. Those were deep cuts, not thousands of pieces. That would have given Satoru High-Mid regeneration. That's especially evident here, where Gojo took a serious cut to his neck, but didn't use regeneration at that moment. If it wasn't just a deep cut, he would have died.

He had to touch Ryu directly to cut him, and the distance cuts only left superficial wounds. It would be the same with Kaneki.

 

[LaserPrecision]

If that were true, Gojo wouldn't have survived that area. Those were deep cuts, not thousands of pieces. That would have given Satoru High-Mid regeneration. That's especially evident here, where Gojo took a serious cut to his neck, but didn't use regeneration at that moment. If it wasn't just a deep cut, he would have died.

Uh, it's confirmed to all be deep cuts. It's only stated to be shallow cuts once he uses Falling Blossom Emotion. Meaning every cut before were deep grievous cuts. His regeneration is good enough to cover deep cuts, including the first one that nearly took his head off. His regeneration just needs to be fast enough to heal faster than he can be cut up by millions of cuts per second.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't say Gojo was cut up into fine particles. I said if his regeneration wasn't fast enough, he would have been cut into millions of indistinguishable particles. Like Kaneki will become if he has no regeneration feats of healing that quickly/rapidly.

 

[NikHelton]

Did you mean to say masturbating..?

Only after the end of a hard day, buddy

Jogo can generate flames that can flash-vaporize metal's with a boiling point in excess of 5500°C

Could you demonstrate when he actually vaporized metal in the manga?

(And is a living volcano made partially out of boiling hot magma). Sukuna's normal Divine Flame reduced Jogo to a pile of ash instantly. Let alone the one he uses with his Domain Expansion that superheats and detonates particles. So I don't think a resistance to 4000 degrees will matter too much.

Jogo was defeated due to the difference in strength. Yes, the Sukun Fire will be hotter than the Tatar's flame, however, given that it is simply to an unknown degree higher than 5,500 degrees, we have no reason to believe that it will vaporize Kaneki. Sukun's flame is simply more than 1,375 times hotter than Kaneki's resistance.

 

[NikHelton]

Uh, it's confirmed to all be deep cuts. It's only stated to be shallow cuts once he uses Falling Blossom Emotion. Meaning every cut before were deep grievous cuts. His regeneration is good enough to cover deep cuts, including the first one that nearly took his head off. His regeneration just needs to be fast enough to heal faster than he can be cut up by millions of cuts per second.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't say Gojo was cut up into fine particles. I said if his regeneration wasn't fast enough, he would have been cut into millions of indistinguishable particles. Like Kaneki will become if he has no regeneration feats of healing that quickly/rapidly.

We see how severe these cuts are when Gojo stops using healing.

Sukuna cuts his neck, but Satoru ignores it and continues to restore cursed techniques. He did not use regeneration at that moment. If it had been a severe cut and not a superficial wound, his head would have fallen to the ground in that second. But it did not.

 

[Arkenis]

In the fight against Satoru, it was necessary and part of the plan. I'm not sure he would use it against an enemy that was getting stronger and regenerating (hell, this is literally his fight against Mahoraga). He would probably try to overwhelm him with his sheer power, like he did in the battle in Shibuya.

He used it on Yorozu right after her bug armor came out as a test drive. He'll look at Kaneki having insane regen and unknown physical attributes and pull out the wheel. If doesn't then it'll come out eventually and he'll still adapt.

His much weaker version managed to regenerate multiple blows while he was thrown into the air and fully regenerated limbs several times when they were immediately chopped off. His Post-Dragon version regenerated after being chewed right in the teeth of an opponent, tearing them apart from the inside.

None of this is similar to Sukuna's domain. And that first scan hurts Kaneki's argument against the domain. He's gonna become numb to all of Sukuna's slashes. Yeah being chewed isn't the same as being destroyed by thousands of slashes.

His eyes are literally closed at this point and he relies entirely on his instincts and heightened senses at this point. This is the same way Toji fights Curses if I'm not mistaken.

This just isn't the same as fighting invis opponents that humans can't sense. And no Toji sees curses.

Kaneki also resists the Divine Flame, masturbating above the Tatara Flame, which reaches 4000 degrees Celsius.

Pretty sure Jogo vaporizing metal guards and Sukuna's flames being above that would cook Kaneki. And in order to vaporize only a kg of steel quickly would require 5000+ celsius.

Kaneki's hacks should not be discounted either. He can copy the kagune he has seen before, giving him access to force field creation, electricity manipulation, duplication, and other things.

Show when he's used either of those in combat.

If that were true, Gojo wouldn't have survived that area. Those were deep cuts, not thousands of pieces. That would have given Satoru High-Mid regeneration. That's especially evident here, where Gojo took a serious cut to his neck, but didn't use regeneration at that moment. If it wasn't just a deep cut, he would have died.

Wdym? Gojo did rct that throat cut right away. And no Gojo's also just durability enough to tank the slashes.

He had to touch Ryu directly to cut him, and the distance cuts only left superficial wounds. It would be the same with Kaneki.

That was cleave on Ryu. Superficial would be a cm deep. Sukuna's slashes cut right through people multiple times when they are weaker. Granted Kaneki's a little stronger here than Jogo or the girls, but still should show you what he'd do to Kaneki.

Sukuna cuts his neck, but Satoru ignores it and continues to restore cursed techniques. He did not use regeneration at that moment. If it had been a severe cut and not a superficial wound, his head would have fallen to the ground in that second. But it did not.

No Gojo just regenerated fast enough. Sukuna doesn't release cuts that wrap around a person, it's obvious this cut through his neck and Gojo just rct.

 

[NikHelton]

As we can see here, Gojo is able to cope with cuts for some time without RKT.

 

[Arkenis]

As we can see here, Gojo is able to cope with cuts for some time without RKT.

He is in a simple domain so there are no cuts. That's why we see at the end he gets cut again

 

[LaserPrecision]

Only after the end of a hard day, buddy

True...

Could you demonstrate when he actually vaporized metal in the manga?

Here. He vaporized the street/guard/bumper rails which are made of metal.

Jogo was defeated due to the difference in strength. Yes, the Sukun Fire will be hotter than the Tatar's flame, however, given that it is simply to an unknown degree higher than 5,500 degrees, we have no reason to believe that it will vaporize Kaneki. Sukun's flame is simply more than 1,375 times hotter than Kaneki's resistance.

Sukuna was intentionally holding back, but like, even ignoring that, a strength difference isn't going to turn Jogo into a flaming pile of ash. That's something that heat does. If Sukuna can turn Jogo into ash who can flash-vaporize things at temperatures greater than what Kaneki can survive, he's going to flash-vaporize Kaneki with Divine Flame. Let alone Divine Flame inside of DE which generates a thermobaric explosion.

Jogo's flames and heat resistance is 1375 degrees hotter than Kaneki's resistance. Not Sukuna's flames. Divine Flame upscales that value substantially.

 

[LaserPrecision]

We see how severe these cuts are when Gojo stops using healing.

Sukuna cuts his neck, but Satoru ignores it and continues to restore cursed techniques. He did not use regeneration at that moment. If it had been a severe cut and not a superficial wound, his head would have fallen to the ground in that second. But it did not.

That at worst seems like an inconsistency, and at best, Sukuna either lowered the output of Domain, or the cuts were actually deep but looked superficial. Because it's verbatim stated that once Gojo uses Falling Blossom Emotion, the cuts only THEN become superficial/surface level. Which was surprising to Sukuna. Which wouldn't be the case if Gojo was already only taking surface level scratches. Gojo can have a deep wound in the neck without it cutting clean through and rolling off immediately. It could have gone halfway through his neck, a quarter way, whatever. The point is those wounds are deep.

 

[Arkenis]

Also just wanna clarify, the difference in vaporizing over time versus doing what Jogo's blasts did in an insant makes it more akin to an arc plasma torch which can reach 28000 celsius.

 

[NikHelton]

He used it on Yorozu right after her bug armor came out as a test drive. He'll look at Kaneki having insane regen and unknown physical attributes and pull out the wheel. If doesn't then it'll come out eventually and he'll still adapt.

Kaneki will literally be a punching bag at the start, but he will get stronger as the fight progresses, which will interest the Curse King. I don't think Sukuna would have summoned Mahorogu against Kusakabe or Miguel if he had the chance

None of this is similar to Sukuna's domain. And that first scan hurts Kaneki's argument against the domain. He's gonna become numb to all of Sukuna's slashes. Yeah being chewed isn't the same as being destroyed by thousands of slashes.

The cuts still won't cut off his limbs in one hit. I already explained that above. And what thousand cuts are we talking about? Dozens maybe. However, we've never been shown thousands of cuts aimed at a single target at the same time. Not even when it was Satoru Gojo.

This just isn't the same as fighting invis opponents that humans can't sense. And no Toji sees curses.

Toji and Maki sense curses with their heightened senses. Correct me if I'm wrong, please

Pretty sure Jogo vaporizing metal guards and Sukuna's flames being above that would cook Kaneki. And in order to vaporize only a kg of steel quickly would require 5000+ celsius.

Sorry, but the metal was melted, not vaporized.

"The boiling point of a metal refers to the temperature at which the vapor pressure of the liquid metal matches the pressure of its surroundings, leading to the transformation from a liquid state into vapor". We have no evidence of vaporization. Only melting. According to this page on this same site, the boiling point of steel is about 1600 degrees Celsius.

But even so, the boiling point of steel is 2750 degrees Celsius.

Show when he's used either of those in combat.

He had already used shock waves and kagune in battle, which he had seen before. The shape of the kagune depends entirely on the user's imagination, so he simply copies the kagune of Donato, Yomo and Tatara, just as he copied the kagune of Hinami, Tsukiyama and Touka.

Wdym? Gojo did rct that throat cut right away. And no Gojo's also just durability enough to tank the slashes.

I have already provided you with the pages above. If these strikes were fatal, then Gojo would not have been able to handle them without RCT.

That was cleave on Ryu. Superficial would be a cm deep. Sukuna's slashes cut right through people multiple times when they are weaker. Granted Kaneki's a little stronger here than Jogo or the girls, but still should show you what he'd do to Kaneki.

Maybe you misunderstood me. Of course, Sukun's cuts will be especially effective against Kaneki at the beginning of the fight. However, we are talking about the DE that Sukuna uses to end the fight. By this point, Kaneki will have leveled up his stats and it won't chop him into pieces anymore.

No Gojo just regenerated fast enough. Sukuna doesn't release cuts that wrap around a person, it's obvious this cut through his neck and Gojo just rct.

Already answered above

 

[NikHelton]

He is in a simple domain so there are no cuts. That's why we see at the end he gets cut again

He received a lot of attacks before creating Simple Domains. Moreover, a Simple Domain does not neutralize the enemy's attacks, but only deprives him of the effect of a guaranteed hit. These punches are just as strong as before.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The cuts still won't cut off his limbs in one hit. I already explained that above. And what thousand cuts are we talking about? Dozens maybe. However, we've never been shown thousands of cuts aimed at a single target at the same time. Not even when it was Satoru Gojo.

We do tho? Dozens of cuts DON'T literally make you bleed from every square inch of your body:

Hell, I'm doubtful even thousands would be enough to make you bleed so much from every part of your body that you literally look like a bleeding shadowy figure. This seems very in line with the millions of cuts per second I mentioned earlier (Which I also calculated) which is why Malevolent Shrine can turn people, and buildings into dust particles. That isn't going to be happening from dozens of cuts, otherwise everything would just be cut into large distinguishable chunks.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Sorry, but the metal was melted, not vaporized.

"The boiling point of a metal refers to the temperature at which the vapor pressure of the liquid metal matches the pressure of its surroundings, leading to the transformation from a liquid state into vapor". We have no evidence of vaporization. Only melting. According to this page on this same site, the boiling point of steel is about 1600 degrees Celsius.

But even so, the boiling point of steel is 2750 degrees Celsius.

In the scan I showed you, it is vaporized. You can see the large amounts of vapor boiling off the surface of the very thin layer of melted concrete left behind (Majority of it was vaporized).

 

[Arkansalter2]

So one problem.. if it gets to that point, what's Kaneki's answer to shrine? What's his answer to shrine + fuga?

 

[NikHelton]

That at worst seems like an inconsistency, and at best, Sukuna either lowered the output of Domain, or the cuts were actually deep but looked superficial. Because it's verbatim stated that once Gojo uses Falling Blossom Emotion, the cuts only THEN become superficial/surface level. Which was surprising to Sukuna. Which wouldn't be the case if Gojo was already only taking surface level scratches. Gojo can have a deep wound in the neck without it cutting clean through and rolling off immediately. It could have gone halfway through his neck, a quarter way, whatever. The point is those wounds are deep.

These wounds are not deep enough to hit the spine or major arteries. The neck is not the most protected part of a person, but even that was not destroyed. His face also only had cuts, but his head and skull were not severed. His hand also did not fall off, and his arms moved as if nothing had happened, despite the fact that Sukuna hit the places where ligaments, joints and cut the biceps and triceps.

Stronger opponents are harder for Sukuna and he cannot always kill them without direct contact.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Maybe you misunderstood me. Of course, Sukun's cuts will be especially effective against Kaneki at the beginning of the fight. However, we are talking about the DE that Sukuna uses to end the fight. By this point, Kaneki will have leveled up his stats and it won't chop him into pieces anymore.

Mahoraga who had already partially adapted to Shrine, and could tank punches/kicks from Sukuna with literally no damage literally got turned into a mist by Shrine. And beyond that, the mist was then shredded into imperceptible particles. Gojo being especially durable to damage across small surface area's with cracked fast regen (and using techniques to mitigate/negate damage), and acting very quickly when his defenses are down aren't an anti-feat like you're seeming to make it out as imo.

 

[Arkansalter2]

So one problem.. if it gets to that point, what's Kaneki's answer to shrine? What's his answer to shrine + fuga?

?

 

[Arkenis]

Kaneki will literally be a punching bag at the start, but he will get stronger as the fight progresses, which will interest the Curse King. I don't think Sukuna would have summoned Mahorogu against Kusakabe or Miguel if he had the chance

They don't have anything special to adapt to.

The cuts still won't cut off his limbs in one hit. I already explained that above. And what thousand cuts are we talking about? Dozens maybe. However, we've never been shown thousands of cuts aimed at a single target at the same time. Not even when it was Satoru Gojo.

Yeah I disagree with what you said. And Laser has a calc for it. It's not exact but it's a rough estimate for what Sukuna's domain would be doing. A big point for Sukuna's domain is to reduce everything down to dust.

Toji and Maki sense curses with their heightened senses. Correct me if I'm wrong, please

No they see it.

He had already used shock waves and kagune in battle, which he had seen before. The shape of the kagune depends entirely on the user's imagination, so he simply copies the kagune of Donato, Yomo and Tatara, just as he copied the kagune of Hinami, Tsukiyama and Touka.

Okay well show him doing the ones you said he'd do here.

giving him access to force field creation, electricity manipulation, duplication, and other things.

I have already provided you with the pages above. If these strikes were fatal, then Gojo would not have been able to handle them without RCT.

I told you that was simple domain that stopped the slashes. Those slashes are just half rcted.

Maybe you misunderstood me. Of course, Sukun's cuts will be especially effective against Kaneki at the beginning of the fight. However, we are talking about the DE that Sukuna uses to end the fight. By this point, Kaneki will have leveled up his stats and it won't chop him into pieces anymore.

You haven't proved Kaneki can gain a 5x amp but it just doesn't matter in domain anyway, Gojo's relative to Sukuna and still was getting shredded by it.

He received a lot of attacks before creating Simple Domains. Moreover, a Simple Domain does not neutralize the enemy's attacks, but only deprives him of the effect of a guaranteed hit. These punches are just as strong as before.

I don't get what you're arguing atp, why does him punching matter?

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Nothing. Kaneki ends up just like Arima left him and worse.

 

[NikHelton]

We do tho? Dozens of cuts DON'T literally make you bleed from every square inch of your body:

Hell, I'm doubtful even thousands would be enough to make you bleed so much from every part of your body that you literally look like a bleeding shadowy figure. This seems very in line with the millions of cuts per second I mentioned earlier (Which I also calculated) which is why Malevolent Shrine can turn people, and buildings into dust particles. That isn't going to be happening from dozens of cuts, otherwise everything would just be cut into large distinguishable chunks.

You're exaggerating a bit. Not every square centimeter of his body was damaged. Each cut is a long, oblong wound that intersects with each other. Several dozen cuts would be enough for such an effect.

However, I don't want to be meticulous and dig into every word. The other participants will agree with either you or me

 

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These wounds are not deep enough to hit the spine or major arteries. The neck is not the most protected part of a person, but even that was not destroyed. His face also only had cuts, but his head and skull were not severed. His hand also did not fall off, and his arms moved as if nothing had happened, despite the fact that Sukuna hit the places where ligaments, joints and cut the biceps and triceps.

Stronger opponents are harder for Sukuna and he cannot always kill them without direct contact.

You can't even tell how deep the cuts are because we don't get an x-ray of it. But yes, these cuts ARE deep. We see Sukuna use his cutting moves on Yuji who also "looks" like he took surface level cuts, but then confirms he took severe internal/organ damage he needed to RCT. The cuts are deep/greivious. They just aren't cutting clean through Gojo instantly because Gojo is stronger than Sukuna physically + he was spamming techniques to mitigate damage as much as possible + was acting quickly to turn his domain off. Sukuna literally outright states his plan with his Domain Expansion was to cut Gojo up into pieces once Gojo couldn't use Unlimited Void anymore. It is very self-evident he can cut Gojo into pieces, but Gojo kept preventing that from happening.

 

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You're exaggerating a bit. Not every square centimeter of his body was damaged. Each cut is a long, oblong wound that intersects with each other. Several dozen cuts would be enough for such an effect.

However, I don't want to be meticulous and dig into every word. The other participants will agree with either you or me

Yes... the cuts were long and intersecting... because Gojo was rapidly using RCT to repair it. You can literally see in the right panel of the page I sent that his whole body is literally black from being covered in blood. That's not possible from dozens of cuts. Like, not even remotely physically possible.