Battle of the Space Racists (Ben Tennyson vs Frieza) (7-1-0) (GRACE)

[CBslayeR]

Let's go completely insane with this, might be a stomp.

Fight takes place on Namek, 15 meters apart

Speed Equalized.

UAF Ben is used, has master control, has as much background information on Frieza as Vegeta did at the point of fighting him (he's very ******* evil, very strong, blows up planets casually, knows he can transform but not that he can go further, etc)

Frieza has prior knowledge on failsafe.

UAF Ben is allowed access to all of his aliens, this includes Alien X

Frieza starts at his first High 5-A key, and is allowed to go up to his final form and full power.

Both are completely in character, outside of Ben's prior knowledge.


Ben saves the universe (again) : 7


Frieza's reign continues : 1


Goku arrives :

 

[Omegabronic]

if ben is allowed alien x, then wtf is freeza suposed to do?

 

[CBslayeR]

if ben is allowed alien x, then wtf is freeza suposed to do?

he can't control alien x at this point of the series, he most likely just incaps himself if he's forced to use it

 

[Mickey1940]

he can't control alien x at this point of the series, he most likely just incaps himself if he's forced to use it

Alien X acts on his own and erases Frieza from existence

None of his other aliens can do jack shit so he will probably risk it

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

This is either a stomp, or it's...a stomp. Either Alien-X one-shots Freeza, or it incapacitates Ben entirely, or Freeza casually one-shots any of Ben's other aliens he thinks to try to use.

Ben probably doesn't know Freeza's exact strength, but for everything besides Alien-X, we're looking at a casual 4.89 Quettaton feat from Freeza versus Ben's scaling chain above Sir George's feat with Ascalon which is most recently calc'd at 701 Rottatons, meaning there's a 7x difference in strength between Freeza's first form and any of Ben's other aliens besides X. Vegeta believed when fighting Freeza that Freeza's first form's power was close to his--if Ben thinks the same about Way Big or Atomix, he's just going to get himself killed.

 

[Omegabronic]

Alien X acts on his own and erases Frieza from existence

None of his other aliens can do jack shit so he will probably risk it

Ghost freak possession and freeza can't kill him, big chill absolute zeroes him

 

[Omegabronic]

This is either a stomp, or it's...a stomp. Either Alien-X one-shots Freeza, or it incapacitates Ben entirely, or Freeza casually one-shots any of Ben's other aliens he thinks to try to use.

Ben probably doesn't know Freeza's exact strength, but for everything besides Alien-X, we're looking at a casual 4.89 Quettaton feat from Freeza versus Ben's scaling chain above Sir George's feat with Ascalon which is most recently calc'd at 701 Rottatons, meaning there's a 7x difference in strength between Freeza's first form and any of Ben's other aliens besides X. Vegeta believed when fighting Freeza that Freeza's first form's power was close to his--if Ben thinks the same about Way Big or Atomix, he's just going to get himself killed.

Omnitrix failsafe, it will save him by making him transform into the right alien to not die

 

[CBslayeR]

Yall forgetting about scanning Frieza with the omnitrix also, Frieza also might toy with Ben like he did with Nail (bro is SADISTIC)

 

[CBslayeR]

Frieza could also just destroy the Omnitrix as well, not all of it's self destructions are universe busting so I don't see why smashing it isn't a wincon

 

[Omegabronic]

Frieza could also just destroy the Omnitrix as well, not all of it's self destructions are universe busting so I don't see why smashing it isn't a wincon

omnitrix failsafe will make ben turn into something to survive it and avoid its destruction

 

[CBslayeR]

I don't think that works for the Ultimatrix actually

 

[Omegabronic]

I don't think that works for the Ultimatrix actually

Why wouldn't? It is basically the omnitrix but with an evolutionary function

 

[CBslayeR]

iirc failsafe isn't a thing until the completed omnitrix, could be wrong though.

Either way Frieza can oneshot every Alien here so I don't think the failsafe really saves him here unless it scans Frieza.

 

[Omegabronic]

iirc failsafe isn't a thing until the completed omnitrix, could be wrong though.

Nothing indicates that to be the case, when ben explains it, it is said to be basically one of the reasons he mistransforms

Either way Frieza can oneshot every Alien here so I don't think the failsafe really saves him here unless it scans Frieza.

Can freeza counter intangibility? Or mid high regen? Or immortality type 7?

 

[Greenshifter]

iirc failsafe isn't a thing until the completed omnitrix, could be wrong though.

Either way Frieza can oneshot every Alien here so I don't think the failsafe really saves him here unless it scans Frieza.

It's a thing in a comic. The ultimatrix can also survive being vaporized.

 

[Greenshifter]

Or mid high regen?

Goop has High regen now.

 

[CBslayeR]

Nothing indicates that to be the case, when ben explains it, it is said to be basically one of the reasons he mistransforms


Can freeza counter intangibility? Or mid high regen? Or immortality type 7?

Ki can vaporize mid high regen, no on intangibility.

 

[SlendVeny]

Ultimate Big Chill >>>>>

 

[Omegabronic]

Goop has High regen now.

I was mostly talking about ghost freak, but good to know

 

[Omegabronic]

Ki can vaporize mid high regen

to regen from vapirization is what mid high does

 

[CBslayeR]

to regen from vapirization is what mid high does

yeah and they bypass it.

 

[CBslayeR]

Blowing up the planet is also a thing Frieza might do, keep that in mind.

 

[Omegabronic]

yeah and they bypass it.

It is not a db thing, they simply have enough ap advantage to atomize someone, which is a thing possible even irl and any verse if enough AP advantage exists, it is not an mechanic accepted from the verse

 

[Mickey1940]

Ghost freak possession and freeza can't kill him, big chill absolute zeroes him

Ki emits light which negs Ghostfreak

Big Chill gets killed before he attempts anything cuz Frieza just death beams in character

Alien X is probably what Ben would choose if he had prep time. In which case Frieza just gets negged

 

[Omegabronic]

Ki emits light which negs Ghostfreak

That is z'skayr only, ben's doesn't have such weakness, also immortality type 7

Big Chill gets killed before he attempts anything cuz Frieza just death beams in character

Speed equal, ben dodges or goes intangible to not be hit, at worst thr failsafe saves him and makes him become another alien to survive

 

[Mickey1940]

That is z'skayr only, ben's doesn't have such weakness, also immortality type 7


Speed equal, ben dodges or goes intangible to not be hit, at worst thr failsafe saves him and makes him become another alien to survive

Ben's Ghostfreak literally has it on his profile

Frieza pointing at Big Chill is faster than Big Chill blasting him with ice, which can be dodged while Big Chill only has intangibility to dodge Frieza's homing lasers, which is countered by paralysis and tk

 

[CBslayeR]

Ki emits light which negs Ghostfreak

Big Chill gets killed before he attempts anything cuz Frieza just death beams in character

Alien X is probably what Ben would choose if he had prep time. In which case Frieza just gets negged

Alien X would absolutely not be his go to, at this point in the series he has no control over him.

Most likely X is his last resort where it's a gamble if the personalities help him or not

 

[Omegabronic]

Ben's Ghostfreak literally has it on his profile

Read again, that is only without his first layer of skin/his cloak

Frieza pointing at Big Chill is faster than Big Chill blasting him with ice

One requires him to point, the other requires him just looking at him and shooting, also intangibility requires no action at all, so..

which can be dodged while Big Chill only has intangibility to dodge Frieza's homing lasers

intangible and then freeze

, which is countered by paralysis and tk

How to TK an intangible being?

Also do not forget all the other aliens he has, like goop with high regen which freeza has no answer to and can also just melt him with acid, or NRG which is literally made of radiation, aka non corporeal, an will eradiate freeza to eventually take him out, XRL8 and Fastrack will severely outspeed freeza in speed equal

Also the fact that the failsafe will make it so ben, and even if freeza somehow manages to harm him, the omntrix just gives ben High regen to make him come back, legit what can freeza even do here?

 

[CBslayeR]

Read again, that is only without his first layer of skin/his cloak


One requires him to point, the other requires him just looking at him and shooting, also intangibility requires no action at all, so..

intangible and then freeze



How to TK an intangible being?

Also do not forget all the other aliens he has, like goop with high regen which freeza has no answer to and can also just melt him with acid, or NRG which is literally made of radiation, aka non corporeal, an will eradiate freeza to eventually take him out, XRL8 and Fastrack will severely outspeed freeza in speed equal

Also the fact that the failsafe will make it so ben, and even if freeza somehow manages to harm him, the omntrix just gives ben High regen to make him come back, legit what can freeza even do here?

Frieza should be more than skilled enough to just dodge Ghostfreak.

Ben going intangible and using his most potent ice to freeze Frieza from the inside out is pretty OOC, absolutely won't be his first choice of action because he's not a serial killer.

Frieza's AP advantage might straight up make up for Goop's High regen, it's a High 5-A vs a 7-A plus it has evidence of being able to bypass Mid-High at relative AP.

Frieza could also just hit the UFO and force him out.


If Frieza gets annoyed by Fasttrack and XLR8 he himself can just transform to buff his own speed, or just nuke the continent and force Ben back to Goop.


NRG is again, a 7-A alien who's just gonna get oneshot.


Ben also doesn't really have a counter to planet busting outside of Alien X, don't think any of his aliens can survive in space without just getting frozen or suffocating.

 

[Omegabronic]

Frieza should be more than skilled enough to just dodge Ghostfreak.

Teleportation, plus the point is that freeza can't do anything to take ghostfreak out, like, outside of the obvious intangibility, he can teleport right next to him to possess him, and immortality type 7 just means that freeza just can't kill him

Ben going intangible and using his most potent ice to freeze Frieza from the inside out is pretty OOC

Most potent? What most potent? It is the normal temperature of his freeza, it doesn't need to be from the inside out, he can just shoot his freezing breath, any part of freeza that touches it will die of cold because of how absolute 0 works, also him freezing from the inside out is most common move ghostfreak has outside of ice breath

absolutely won't be his first choice of action because he's not a serial killer.

honestly, ben would do it without realizing it would kill tbh, everyone and their mom resist it in his verse hence why he uses the guy, he would just assume freeza would survive due to past experience tbh

Frieza's AP advantage might straight up make up for Goop's High regen, it's a High 5-A vs a 7-A

You can't bypass high regen with AP alone, it is atomic level, you can't destroy every atom of something with AP alone, plus goop would just morph out of every attack due to his goop body

plus it has evidence of being able to bypass Mid-High at relative AP.

no it doesn't, also not an accepted mechanic in the verse

Frieza could also just hit the UFO and force him out.

so what? He has master control, he thinks once, become another alien, thinks again and boom becomea goop again with another UFO

If Frieza gets annoyed by Fasttrack and XLR8 he himself can just transform to buff his own speed

Ben only needs 1 moment to get close to freeza and use one of his incap option like ghostfreak to win, he won't have time to be annoyed

or just nuke the continent and force Ben back to Goop.

chromastone to absorb the blast

NRG is again, a 7-A alien who's just gonna get oneshot.

he won't, dude he is made of radiation, he can destroy the armor sure, but his true form? Nah, radiation, literally made of it, freeza won't even be able to interact with him, much less one shot him

Ben also doesn't really have a counter to planet busting outside of Alien X

Any of his high 5-A aliens, ghostfreak, big chill, frankenstrike, clockwork to time manip rever the explosion results, goop, he has a lot of ways to survive

don't think any of his aliens can survive in space without just getting frozen or suffocating.

A bunch of them can, also this is you assuming thay it would get that far in the first place

 

[One-Mastor]

Ben also doesn't really have a counter to planet busting outside of Alien X, don't think any of his aliens can survive in space without just getting frozen or suffocating.

This guy don't watch Ben 10?

 

[CBslayeR]

This guy don't watch Ben 10?

i forgot about Jetray ngl

 

[CBslayeR]

Since Frieza's wincon (knockout) is pretty OOC maybe I can give Frieza prior knowledge about the failsafe so he's more inclined to knock Ben out

 

[One-Mastor]

Voting for Ben

 

[CBslayeR]

Gave Frieza prior knowledge on the failsafe.

 

[Omegabronic]

Master control makes Ben transform with a thought now, i will vote ben still for far more option to take freeza out

 

[One-Mastor]

Count my vote, still voting for Ben

 

[CBslayeR]

Counted

 

[DemonicDude]

Master control makes Ben transform with a thought now, i will vote ben still for far more option to take freeza out

Majister Tennyson FRA

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Ben FRA.