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  1. Syndiciate

    Darth Sidious vs Lord Vitiate

    Well, Sidious is canonically stated ( by like dozens of sources ) to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time and Plagueis is stated to be above Vitiate. I don't know if you guys take canonical quotes but if you do that should settle this pretty easily, especially since Vitiate is only ever...
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    Vitiate Feat

    Just wanted to address something I was a little leery of in the Abeloth/Luke thread. Matthew posted that Vitiate's feat had "sub-atomically destroyed the planet's matter." And it was later stated that Viviate sub-atomically destroyed the planet's matter. Apply basic reading comprehension again...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    I'm going to have to agree with Matthew here. No source that I'm aware of depicts the Force as only existing within a single Galaxy. The Vong are an anomaly but even then the Force still effects them, it just takes more effort on the part of the Force user who's trying to use it on them.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    I never claimed the One's were universal. In fact, I've been actively arguing against such a notion.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Oh Lina, I hate to bother you but can you hop on the chat so I can click your name, go into our PM's and post that Starkiller thread here in revisions?
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Here's how Plagueis describes it. "The Force is found throughout the universe, not only in living things. Everything in existence that draws upon various aspects of the energy we call the Force may be classified into three categories. The aperio includes and unites all matter, giving it shape...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    And those forms they take can obviously be physically effected...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying that they don't seem to possess the capabilities of a true representation of a universal energy source. I.E. They're not omniscent, they've never demonstrated a feat that puts them on a universal level, and when they're caught off guard they're able to...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    I didn't mean to harsh anybody's mellow here. I'm actually a big Star Wars wanker myself. I just didn't think it was accurate to attribute the Ones being true representations of the Force... Or at least not possessing the capabilities of what you'd expect for a true representation of a universal...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Um. You should reread that quote. "Anakin use the distraction to slay Son with his lightsaber."
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    @Matthew: There's also the fact that the Son can be killed via having his form pierced by stabilized plasma. Though that could simply be that the Son involuntary lowered his Force defenses out of shock after the Father committed suicide as is indiciated by the text.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    The Son and Daughter's fighting causing the place where they're fighting to become a focal point for the universe's Force energy to flow through is a pretty solid showing, but it's not really applicable to the energy they themselves are capable of summoning. You understand when a Force user is...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Can you post the quote for Anakin "channelling the entirety of the Force?" Because if that quote is what I think it is I believe you might be misinterpreting its' meaning.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    I mean, granted, they're likely multi-galaxy level since they're infighting can tear apart the fabric of the universe.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Agreed. ^
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Yes, which is why I find it curious that the Son seemingly believes he can leave Mortis by using the ship Anakin, Obi Wan and Ahsoka came in on and why the Father recruits Obi Wan and Ahsoka's help to stop the Son and Anakin from leaving on said ship. The Force was already out of balance per...
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    The Son needed a ship to leave Mortis. They have limitations that you wouldn't really be expecting of a mainfestation of a universal energy source which is my point.
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    Crimson King should be 1-A

    ?
  19. Syndiciate

    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    I'm aware. I'm simply stating that their physical forms are not "the Force" or rather, are not truly representative of the Force as a universal energy source since they were overcome by Abeloth who definitely isn't universal.
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    Pong Krell downgrade

    I don't know if we should be scaling Jedi master's to PT era Council Members when PT era Council Members by quotes ( Plo Koon, B Team ) and feats ( Yarael Poof, Yaddle ) are some of the most powerful Force user's in the mythos.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Also, Sadow was amped by the Sith meditation sphere, he didn't power its' function. The quotes for Jerec are likely hyperbole.
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    Abeloth and Luke upgrade

    Well, they aren't truly "the Force." Moreso manifestations of the Force since they can be killed yet obviously the aspects of the Force they represent don't die with them.
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    Crimson King should be 1-A

    The Crimson King is trapped in a level of the tower far below the Godhead... Roland passes him on his way up. "Come out Roland! Come out and face me one to one! Man to man! An eye for an eye, may it do ya! I think not," Roland said, "for I have more work to do. A little more, even yet." It...
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