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I got the impression that both the Angelus and the Darkness are of equal power. Their dimensions were universe-sized, supposedly infinite, but purely 3-dimensional. So they both should only be High 3A at most.
In the comics, Jackie managed to harness the 13 Artifacts (including the Darkness and...
To further back up my statements earlier, DeMatteis has confirmed that the Creator is an aspect of God. This is consistent with the idea that the Creator, the Void and Creation are all a part of God.
http://i.imgur.com/5HnEAFo.jpg
Although I personally love the concept, I don't know how well...
You are wrong. Pralaya is said by DeMatteis to be an "Aspect of God":
http://i.imgur.com/Uex7A39.png
The Unmanifest Void is quite literally intended to be God's Unconscious (with good reason if you know a bit about Hinduism). The idea is that the Void, the Creator and Creation are all but...
Hi all,
There is something that has been bugging me for a little while, namely this image on the Monitor-Mind's page:
http://i.imgur.com/rf8DXHn.png
Although it is a generally good description of Monitor-Mind, there are two flaws in using the page to describe Monitor-Mind. First is that the...
People listen ;). Well, I do believe that the Source is genuinely the Source of all things:
http://i.imgur.com/nL6fElx.jpg
The Logoz is the Source because the Source is everything. The Word just has the power to connect to the Source. If you have the Word, you have the Source.
There are some...
A few scans further showing that the Logoz (or Word) is more or less the same thing as the Source:
http://i.imgur.com/PZlRDuD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vjE4F2w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gYnHecF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wBGmecg.jpg
The Logoz is shown as being fundamental to connecting not only to...
^Ditto, now. Before, I was treating some of these inconsistent events as though they happened. But now, it is just interesting to talk about them, not use them legit. I still found Mr. DeMatteis' comments on the primal source of creation fascinating.
The whole interaction between The Creator...
No objections there.
Fusing with the Source was definitely due to the power of the Source. However, his other feat (becoming the Overvoid) was due to the power of the Void. In doing so, he was able to connect with the only thing that truly exists and contains and surpasses everything and...
I'm actually all for Wesker in this one. Wesker showed greater durability, as he could take RPG blasts to the face without taking any real damage. The T-800's chasis was blown apart by Kyle Reese, although it was placed in what looked like a weak spot on the T-800. Wesker also has extensive...
I did raise the question as to whether or not it could be dismissed as an outlier. I also said that, in the end, the Creation story in Godhead tries to unify contradictory elements. It probably should be ignored entirely.
We may not be consistent or "making sense" because we are talking about...
It makes some sense, as the Spectre has his power and actions regulated by the Presence. I don't think it would change his Tier at all. Even if it did, it could probably be dismissed as an inconsistency (like the version of the Spectre that got "erased" and became the Void).
Actually EgyptianGodRaw, I wanted to get your take on something. I was discussing Green Lantern/New Gods: Godhead a little earlier in another thread. I was wrong about a lot of things, but after re-reading Godhead, I noticed a few things during the Creation account:
1) In the beginning, there...
That is utterly fantastic! I've always wondered if the "black" Void is the "night" that is spoken of. In many versions of "the beginning," the black void is the only thing that exists, implying that it was present before the beginning as well.
Since we were discussing an image regarding the Source earlier, would this image contribute anything new to the Source page?:
http://i.imgur.com/nL6fElx.jpg
"You have reached the Source. From here, all things come and return."
Uh, no. He said he was referring to the "Primal Source of Creation". When asked to clarify whether this "Source" is more powerful than "God" (as the Overvoid is more powerful than the Presence), he said it was an "Aspect of God". Simple.
I wondered that myself, because the Justice League Dark story where this is taken from is primarily based on Hindu beliefs. Although, in his own words, he said that the Overvoid was "an Aspect of God." Maybe Brahman is the "God" he is referring to?
EDIT: In the scene, he refers to the Void as...
Yes, I remember that one. The Void was even white once the Spectre was "erased". About two pages later, the same Void was described as All That Is (as it was depicted by the same white space).
If the Source/Void that DeMatteis was referring to is the Overvoid, can we even accept it as being...
This is most interesting! DeMatteis uses the term "Source" to refer to the "Unmanifest Void." I also wonder if his version of "God" is the same as the Presence or if it is another being entirely. It's interesting that he refers to the "Unmanifest Void" as being merely "God's Unconscious."
I'm...
Well, the problem is that the word "Source" is thrown around a lot these days in DC Comics and refers to multiple concepts and entities. See the case above regarding DeMatteis. Grant Morrison has also used the word "Source" to refer to at least three different concepts in the past.
I do find it...
It's interesting, because the New Guardians storyline of Green Lantern referred to the Life Equation as the Source. The original New Gods comics also referred to the Source as the Life Equation.
It was also stated to be the only thing capable of stopping Darkseid if he got his hands on the...
Hi guys,
I have noticed that the Overvoid is characterized by an infinite, white void. However, one of the scans on the Overvoid's page that depicts it as a black expanse of nothingness. However, there were references to "the Unmanifest Void", as opposed to the Overvoid directly. This is not...
Okay, there was a point posted in a previous thread regarding Grant Morrison's Source and the Overmonitor being separate entities. I thought it would be best to discuss his maps as a topic in their own right.
Grant Morrison did two maps. In his final map, he labelled the White Space beyond the...
That's not enough evidence? Well, I guess the Source could have existed within the Void, hence why they were both said the same.
The only other piece of evidence I could give is that the Source Wall surrounded the entire DC Multiverse in Godhead, much like in Grant Morrison's map. In Morrison's...
Yeah, the first scan, I posted. "In the beginning was the Void." "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was the Source." The first scan also showed the entirety of the DC Multiverse forming in the Void.
Yeah, it's just that the Source portrayed in Godhead and New Guardians reminded me more of the Overvoid than other depictions of the Source. It was just a white expanse of nothing. When I saw that Grant Morrison has likened the Source (as a location) to the Overvoid, I simply thought that is...
I see where you are coming from. Most depictions of the Source usually portray it as an entity, or something spawned from the Overvoid. Obviously just 1-A.
It's still maddening, because the word "Source" has been used to refer to the Overvoid in more recent times. One of the scans on the...
Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Kirby's Source, as a location, IS now the Overvoid. The Source is the White Page, as shown and stated on both maps. The Source entity is separate, an aspect of the Source/Overvoid. A lot has changed, man. I mean, the Silver City used to exist beyond...
I think you've failed to see my argument. I'm stating that when someone refers to the "Source" in the modern DCU, it doesn't necessarily mean Kirby's Source. It is now being used as a title for the Overvoid. Also, why isn't the Source shown as being any different on the maps?
Thanks for the scan, but I have seen them already. You should also read the scans I posted too. You seem to be misinterpreting me, mate. I'm not stating that the Source entity is the Overvoid. I'm stating that there is a difference between Morrison's Source and the Source entity.
Again, why did...
The Source entity and Morrison's Source (the Overvoid) are separate entities. I have already agreed with that much. I didn't mean to suggest that Kyle Rayner was 1-A due to possession of the Life Equation. I have already said that can't be the case.
Morrison's Source is clearly stated to be the...
I believe that Jack Kirby's Source served as the inspiration for Grant Morrison's Overvoid concept. In Jack Kirby's Fourth World, the Source was originally the entirety of existence (referred to as the First World). "That Which Is The All And Beyond The All."
But I believe that the Source...
I'm not sure about that. The traditional Source entity itself seems to be different from the Overvoid and what is currently being called the Source. Maybe all that needs to be done is to include "the Source" as one of the Overvoid's titles?
I mean, I noticed that the Source entity (the flaming...
Then why does Grant Morrison's concept art specifically state: "The Source is the White Page?"
Why is the White Space on the Multiverse Map called the Overvoid and the Source interchangeably? Why is the White Space said to be Monitor-Mind, the Source and the Unknowable?"
Also, why does Grant...
^ Agreed.
To be honest, I don't think that the Life Equation is literally the Source. I believe it to be more of a device that was left in the Source that contained the instructions that govern the DC Multiverse.
Kyle took the Life Equation out of the Source itself, so they are clearly...