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What? dude you've watched the show right? Thats his entire shtick. The very concept of absolute despair functions on instilling a sense of hopelesness by defeating them in an even playing field very few villians in any held back as much as antispiral did.
Sounds like head cannon. It's the same...
Thats how power scaling works. It's only flawed if not narratively consistent. And it's not really power. It's an ability Simon and co actively had to overcome so it's only make sense that the entity pulling the strings would have it seeing as it bestows said abilities on his pawns and should be...
Sure even if creators are not to get their creations abilities this is very different. Gunmen are more engineered than created.I know how that sounds I'll elucidate, the analogy for Lordegenome and the gunmen does horribly here by the way that seems more like a physiology constraint which the...
We have to though. He's a conjured thought based being of a race so the race has to exist for him to even be. Unless, we use a hypothetical convinience to make it so that he can exist independantly.
Dude, saying Antispiral doesnt have spiral power because he's called the "antispiral" is less...
It's a lot of headcannons because he never really see how the antispiral maintains their universe. Is it just a higher dimension where they reside and have gained complete control over or did the make the universe themselves? And if we're using Antispiral and not Granzeboma and/or Super...
Well it's not exactly the Gurren Lagann verse the Anti Spiral can literally make the universe. He sustains it. It has different physical laws etc. What's to say he can't BFR?
Isn't it more that they choose not to than not being able to? They only chose to seal themselves away after reaching a state of power which they are convinced is enough to shutdown any spiral lifeform that tries defying them. By the way what is the difference between Spiral power and energy?
Antispiral is a hivemind/collective conciousness so i'm not sure how a thought based attack would effect him. Unless you get access to their home world you're literally fighting a thought based being conjured up by the minds of an entire race. Unsure if sleep manipulation would work on a race...
Even if was just some other form of evolution and not exactly Spiral power wouldn't the same apply for the Ashtanga? they would have to be using the same source of Power as the Antispiral regardless of the nature of it. Just being higher up the evolution line would entail that they posses all...
I'm aware but then with what power do you presume they dictate the universe? they use Spiral Power. They state that they were once a Spiral Race themselves this doesn't necessarily mean they parted ways with Spiral Power just that they refuse to evolve further than this point because they are...
Yeah thats what I meant, doesn't say anything on Mxy's profile about being able to perceive "other realities". Also, curious, for DC, could the Multiversal Labyrinth trap Mxy in the reality of some other rendition of Mxy (not the current iteration)? How do we scale cosmological attacks as such...
But the Ashtanga are literally deployed by the Antispiral as their herald. Spiral energy represents evolution as a form of energy wouldn't that mean that antispiral who is technically further in the evolution hierarchy are able to do everything that they can and more? Same applies for the...
First off, which is the correct way to address these attacks?
Second, which is the more potent ability? Which of these has less fatal shortcomings? Do they work the same way?
Says Mxy it able to perceive past, future and present simultanaeously but nothing about other possibile realities. Or does he have some kind of transduality and/or acausality or higher-dimensional existence type immunity?
Does the Multiversal Labyrinth generate the already existing possible realities or does it trap them in a made up reality? if so, does it keep trapping them if they (the victim) is able identify realities 'made-up' nature? The first iteration should be rendered useless on someone like Myx unless...
Shouldn't the Antispiral host all of the Ashtanga's abilities because of how the pilot and mech/weapon relation works in Gurren Lagann and also via scaling and some vague statements.
uhh.. he was also peeping in tha main timeline of U7. You could argue that the focal source of his being is tied to the alternate future (trunks' worldline) U7 where he orginates from but thats kinda headcannon.
but didn't infinite zamasu's presence seep into other time lines as well, not just a universe. Zeno probably just hakai'd the enitre multiverse along with zamasu (in focus) thus he was also destryoed in the main time line can Yhwach muster than kinda AP?
I concur that by altering the future with fate manip+casuality manip he can best Vegito it would still depend if there was a future wherein Vegito is somehow nerfed also what is the exent to which he can modify these futures? Regardless of which, soul crush seems very wanked.
how does this future picking work? is there always bound to be a scenario where he has an advantage? because how come he didn't just pick a future (alternate reality more like) where Ichigo just didnt exist? or like something that ensures his victory more than just breaking ichigos bankai...
Whats Yhwachs extents/feats of reality warp? Also bloodlusted Vegito ends yhwach the first time being impossibly faster and AP advantage. Yhwach inevitably resurrects but does he adapt to probabilty manip because he definitely doesnt close the AP gap. Also is anything he can do other than soul...
so how are they scaling Hakai/EE resistance? pretty sure resisting Demigra soul corruption is more fit as baseline.
Surviving Hakai is a much more impressive feat imo
billions of life forms? well in DB almost everything is co-related with AP, Hakai probably is too. Resisting Hakai should count as soul manip resistance. And if Hakai scales to AP then it's Low 2-C level soul resis and translating that to DB Heroes it's 2-A.
So basically, what you're saying is...
"Some type" thats very vague but i assume the morderators would have good reason to edorse the scaling chain.
Hakai should scale to AP or it's saying Zeno hakai = Beerus hakai.
I dont know? more concepts involved? I'm not so sure.
why is that?
What makes Hakai basic and Soul Crush not? Also doesnt Hakai scale with the users AP? And also Hakai is EE which should be above just Soul deletion.
I was thinking the same but I didn't think he was literally just refering to the AP & Dura scaling to each other in DB. But wouldn't resisting Hakai count though?