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  1. CloverDragon03

    Logic Manipulation Ability Page Creation

    Well from what it sounds like, the reason this is relevant is simply because of how High 1-A characters and such are under our new Tiering System. Doesn't it then sound like something more appropriate as a facet of their state of being, as opposed to an ability?
  2. CloverDragon03

    Logic Manipulation Ability Page Creation

    Wouldn't that just fall under characteristics of all such characters, as opposed to requiring a whole new ability page that functionally does nothing besides that? This doesn't really solve the issue that the ability just has next to no notable users
  3. CloverDragon03

    Logic Manipulation Ability Page Creation

    Tbh I'm very iffy on this because of the limited number of possible users in addition to the fact that the way we currently treat Law Manipulation would naturally lend itself to including logical principles as well. The very same page legit even lists "logical truths" as being encompassed by it...
  4. CloverDragon03

    Infinite Multiversal Space Container Tier Discussion

    Idk if you clarified this, but just in case: What do you think of structures that are infinitely large compared to a space-time continuum they contain, but are never stated/shown to contain infinite universes?
  5. CloverDragon03

    IQ scores and the intelligence categories

    At the absolute best, a high IQ can be used to support existing intelligence feats (for example, Eggman's IQ of 300 doesn't mean as much on its own, but when compounded by all these other intelligence feats he's done, it can be nice support)
  6. CloverDragon03

    Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Spoiler Discussion Thread

    I always just headcanoned that after Xenoblade 2 they're able to fuse into Pneuma at will
  7. CloverDragon03

    Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Spoiler Discussion Thread

    This is not true. These are just replicas based on their swords. What happens is that for an unknown reason, Pyra and Mythra return to their Core Crystals (as Pneuma, so just one Core Crystal), which ends up in Matthew's gauntlets and is the source of the power of Ouroboros
  8. CloverDragon03

    RWBY: Penny lifting Amity and bomb ends

    Holy necro @DarkDragonMedeus It's been 5, almost 6 months, so could you close this thread?
  9. CloverDragon03

    Infinite Multiversal Space Container Tier Discussion

    Also, I'd like to link this thread because, given the topic at hand, I feel it's relevant
  10. CloverDragon03

    Infinite Multiversal Space Container Tier Discussion

    I share Deagon's sentiments. By nature, a realm anywhere from High 3-A to 2-B can be infinite in size without actually containing infinite universes. In the case of Rimuru, I'd say the 2-A rating should go
  11. CloverDragon03

    2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT

    Then I'm a little lost admittedly, because I then can't really see where 2-A is coming from
  12. CloverDragon03

    2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT

    @Sir_Ovens Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure a universe-sized space-time doesn't have to be infinite to be Low 2-C. It just needs to at least be the size of our observable universe
  13. CloverDragon03

    2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT

    Okay so I initially didn't want to comment on this but I guess I'll throw my hat into the ring I'm guessing the logic is that the Demon World contains a space-times within it and is infinite in size relative to them, thus making it 2-A. I've seen this logic used before with other verses (I...
  14. CloverDragon03

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    I know technically that's true, but functionally it achieves the same result and I honestly thought we were past this point
  15. CloverDragon03

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    You'd also have to account for the times where the upgrade was tried for, only to be shut down, back when the consensus on VSBW was that 5-C Roshi was an outlier, no?
  16. CloverDragon03

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Statements directly scaling one character to another are different from what I'm talking about (The End being stated to be above Sonic's past foes including Solaris and Dark Gaia scaling to a casual The End). It's not some vague "emotional empowerment" or "full power" statement (I don't like the...
  17. CloverDragon03

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    If Chaos doesn't have an actual 1-C feat, he's not scaling to that level. We've always done Super Form scaling via individual feats, as that's how we make sense of the variable nature of the Chaos Emeralds. I've had this talk multiple times and haven't been convinced otherwise. Metal Overlord...
  18. CloverDragon03

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    I agree with all of this, pretty much. We shouldn't be using stuff like "emotional empowerment" as a means to determine if someone is Full Power Super Sonic tier or not. It's all in the individual feats, as doing otherwise is trying to force consistency into something inherently inconsistent...
  19. CloverDragon03

    Sonic vs Shulk

    Xenoblade was completely unaffected by the Type 4 Acausality nerf btw, it already had in-universe justifications for all 3 resistances it provided the verse with before
  20. CloverDragon03

    Removal of 1-A Root.

    Well this was all under my assumption that this would cap the Root at Planetary but if that's not the case then that's a whole other story
  21. CloverDragon03

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    No, Super Neo Metal falls into the same problem as Mecha Sonic using the Master Emerald, that being that it's likely he can't use its full power. And Master Overlord is just a fraud. Straight up
  22. CloverDragon03

    Removal of 1-A Root.

    What tier even are planets in the Nasuverse to begin with? Also this is the same site that made Roshi's 5-C rating an outlier so I think anything's fair game here. If we've got like multiple things saying it's superior to the cosmology then I'm not gonna agree with downgrading it below that...
  23. CloverDragon03

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    We can't force a "pattern" though, we have to go by individual feats because of the variable nature of the Chaos Emeralds. You can't force consistency onto something inherently inconsistent Aren't the copies inferior or something like that? I remember bringing this up but getting a response...
  24. CloverDragon03

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Tbh, this was flawed. The way we scale Super Forms is by individual feats, not by things like this. The Metal Overlord stuff went against this. So, Metal Overlord should go down to 2-C. Light-Man Eggman should also be revisited, though I think he'll be Low 1-C because of the Egg Field
  25. CloverDragon03

    Removal of 1-A Root.

    With how liberally people like to use the term on VSBW, we absolutely can. Technically, any feat is part of a series' "lore", yet we can dismiss them as outliers. If we're getting all these descriptions about the Root that had you saying it's absolutely 1 level of superiority above the...
  26. CloverDragon03

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    This is going directly against one of the first things we highlight in our Attack Potency page: that it's not at all equivalent to Destructive Capacity What Rusty brings up is a perfectly apt comparison because he put his all into a Final Kamehameha that barely looks like Tier 7 against Fused...
  27. CloverDragon03

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    Ngl if this gets rejected we absolutely need a discussion rule. I really don't want people trying to reuse these arguments to make bad downgrade threads that cause nothing but headaches
  28. CloverDragon03

    Removal of 1-A Root.

    Tbh I'm not really willing to use that scan as much just because it's so inconsistent with everything else describing the Root. Like, even if it's not 1-A, this sticks out like a sore thumb and comes across to me as an outlier in the grand scheme of things
  29. CloverDragon03

    Removal of 1-A Root.

    I don't know nearly enough to give a conclusive opinion but I feel like the OP probably should also give their proposal for what the Root would be downgraded to, if 1-A were to go. Idk if others feel the same way
  30. CloverDragon03

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    Was able to read through this and uh... Hard disagree with the OP. We're not going back to those days (even if we're having 5-C via the MAX Power Kamehameha, that's literally it until DBZ and it's functionally the same as said old days, which I had huge problems with so you better believe I have...
  31. CloverDragon03

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Metal Overlord is probably getting downgraded tbh
  32. CloverDragon03

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Yeah, Bowser's research was done very well. The problem is that Eggman didn't get that same treatment (lmao at Solaris being calced slower than Base Mario)
  33. CloverDragon03

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Eggman should've won but got turbo downplayed as expected That's all
  34. CloverDragon03

    Did you link to something you didn't mean to? It says I don't have permission to view where you...

    Did you link to something you didn't mean to? It says I don't have permission to view where you linked
  35. CloverDragon03

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    Some people, unfortunately some of our own staff, don't read the things they're agreeing with. FRA trains exist even amongst staff, and bad threads can get accepted. You oughta know that's the case, so no, a thread being accepted doesn't automatically mean it was good Shit man I'd give up too...
  36. CloverDragon03

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    As an addendum about the Shadow Queen feat btw, the feat's being done as she possesses Peach's body so which form it scales to could go either way. In addition, the TTYD remake changes Goombella's tattle dialogue about Bonetail, yes, but this dialogue still exists which could be used for...
  37. CloverDragon03

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    You're cherrypicking, Armor. You're using this catch-all response to stop upgrade attempts but you don't even go all the way with it with how many Tier 9 things the Mario cast is threatened by. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't make sense at all with how you're going about it, and yet it...
  38. CloverDragon03

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    I think it is stonewalling to just repeat a catch-all response ad infinitum no matter what happens just to gatekeep any feat ever. Not to sound a certain way but I can imagine that's why a lot of supporters gave up even trying to argue against it The cloud thing didn't even exist when you...
  39. CloverDragon03

    Removal of 1-A Root.

    Gathering arguments and having a life also exist though. Like atm this is just pushing for this to be applied as quickly as possible (and no one really conclusively voted anyway, everyone's either leaning or just waiting for counterarguments) Slow and steady wins the race. A tale as old as time
  40. CloverDragon03

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    He did but I think it's just as arbitrary. My big problem now is that the reasoning being used is such an easy way to stonewall any tier revision for Mario without actually arguing at all
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