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  1. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    or they could just dodge eacother attacks like most do in stories, even at close range.
  2. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    tbh, it seem like you guys are too used to discussing ridiculously overpowered characters that the concept of weak, but skilled or glass cannon don't exist anymore. in fiction there been countless stories of heroes of flesh and blood slaying dragon/monster/evil of far greater power than...
  3. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I'm not saying that, and that beside the point anyway, in lore they shown no superhuman feat, feats they did is what skilled human with a superior weapon can do, the lore mention nothing other than they are, indeed, skilled people.
  4. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    if Country level is low then you guys must have some strange standard, for human-born character of fresh and blood. and because in league, we literally have a stars creator, war god who fight against army on his own, god of death, cosmic horror fight in the same game space as a fist punching...
  5. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    yeah, but where does it say that said power is country level? and as I said, offensive power in unrelated to defensive power, Liss could be defeated with people and weapon with attacks weaker than her own, Liss own country level "attacks" is also not a destructive "attack". Ashe bow only help...
  6. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    where is lore do they fight eachother? also what I said couldn't be further from IRL, in fiction works, wars movies, fantasy movies, how many main character do you see in middle of battle on the front line and doing well? Troy? 300? LoTR? that just off the top of my head, characters in those...
  7. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    ok then? it almost like you didn't read this. "also let be real, I could show you countless fiction works with leader type (or hell, skilled general/soldier type) character dodge and delfect every single attack in a battle field, but could have easily been killed by any normal weapons. I rate...
  8. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    they are leader of their armies, which mean that they should be more protected than others, both have range, Sej wear armor which could easily take normal weapons. also let be real, I could show you countless fiction works with leader type (or hell, skilled general/soldier type) character dodge...
  9. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    Because they don't take attack from others? in game of course they have to take attack from others as they have HP and balance, but in lore, no, they could just dogde or deflect eachother attack, which is so common sense in fiction that I shouldn't need to explain, there is many strong character...
  10. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    and really, all my texts above have directly explain why they are normals, how about you refute them like I have been refuting everyone replied here?
  11. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I have already explained, Liss is not that strong currently, I have provided reasons why they are normal, which Ashe and her people being were afraid of bandit before banding with Tryndamere, the fact that they shown no superhuman feats in lore, fact that Liss literally have did nothing of notes...
  12. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I could argue that it only describe liss at her full power, and it said comparable, not the same, even amongst the ascended, Xerath is more powerful than the other 3 combined, no? and one again, I will bring up Ashe and Sej, they should at most be 8-A, agree?
  13. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    please cite a piece of lore for this. and as I said, Kodaka wrote: And I will press this again, I made this mainly to adress power level of Ashe and Sej, even if Liss were that strong, as adressed above, doesn't mean that she could just stomp them over nor it imply Ashe and Sej are as strong as...
  14. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    and that relate to liss power how? I asked how those being powerful affect list power, who not even know eachother in lore. a reminder tho:
  15. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    ok, they I will rest on that, but that also mean that Ashe and Sej is fighting Liss at her current power (not that they did in lore), which is, not that strong, not country level strong at least.
  16. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    And I will press this again, I made this mainly to adress power level of Ashe and Sej, even if Liss were that strong, as adressed above, doesn't mean that she could just stomp them over nor it imply Ashe and Sej are as strong as her. .
  17. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    1) where is that mentioned? I don't think they even as much as know eachother in lore 3)To what extent is unknown, the feat that whoever use them do with it is unproven to be country level powerful.
  18. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    you know, I actually have a super weapon that could burst the earth right now but I will wait until people get on mar before I use it. I already broke down earlier that it could very much be a boast, if she haven't done it yet, mean that she, at least, currently can't with her power, same with...
  19. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    ok, I rest that case, but that does not defeat my other points however.
  20. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    also I don't see how stronger champion of other lands who not even interested in freijod is relevant to the topic at all, and being rivals doesn't imply equal power. and even if she is that strong, it already ebtablished above that if liss were to stomp the freijod then other powerful champion...
  21. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    "Lissandra has already established that she is going to flash freeze the planet once she manages to release the Watchers from their prison" could you link me to the relevant lore? and if so, that is the watcher powers, or that it the power they lend her, not her power in the present lore, the...
  22. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I didn't seperate her from her bow, a weapon only give offensive power, take into account her bow, she have good offensive power, but how does a weapon, how does a bow help her being faster or durable? like, could anyone explain? I don't understand it, it seem like people here think that being...
  23. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    hmm, bump? :x
  24. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    again, where they superhuman? the only different between ashe and a normal human is that her marksmanship is superhuman in level, and her weapon is powerful too, power of a weapon does not mean power of a person, a soldier holding a anti-material rifle can shoot thru and take down an unarmed...
  25. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I want Ashe and Sejuani to be scaled down to the limit a normal human can achieve with skills, physical training and an above-average weapon with special effects, Ashe bow for example, should be the same as a anti-material rifle or rocket launcher at most
  26. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I will copy my post on Cross profile over here: " the character I have problems with is Ashe and Sejuani, and just about everything about them is rated up to 9001 on a scale of 10. in the wiki, they are listed as 6-B, but in lore, they have shown no super human feat. let take Ashe, the only...
  27. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    if there is no objection, I will be editing their page to reflect their in lore power in a few hours if anyone could provide any in-lore proof of their superhuman feats, any in-lore proof of ashe arrow ever capable of killing anything stronger than human, anything in-lore proof of them being...
  28. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    with what said so far, Liss is not even country level, anyone with a strong enough army could conquer lands. and if they know enough magic apply their spell onto a localized area one by one
  29. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    Liss didn't even froze freijod by herself "That was the last day that warm blood ran through her veins. With her corrupted tribesmen and the strength of the Watchers, she swept across the land like a terrible blizzard. As her empire spread, the world grew colder and ice choked the land"
  30. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    "I have seen the future, and it is cold. The Watchers return and they are so pleased with you. They will take away your hunger. They will take away your pain. You will be reborn; like me, you will become Iceborn." Liss own quote would cite that Freijod people might be descendant of iceborn, but...
  31. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    I reapeat, not once in lore did ashe and other freijod characters is showns to do superhuman feat, Liss own feat is not a battle one, but a spell, a curse that froze over the land, she shown to not have did any feat of battle that is could take on armies herself, hell, in lore she had to make an...
  32. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    much higher than norman human in their skill, and please, what are their consistent feats? shown me just one that prove their streght is superhuman in anyway, let alone feat that considered country level. you justification is just absurd as well, in lore they didn't even fought eachother face...
  33. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    @ WeeklyBattles descendant maybe but right now she is a human, in power.
  34. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    @Promestein absurd downplaying? may you cite where did I downplaying this? in lore she is but a human with good marksmanship and a freezing bow and arrow.
  35. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    and @ WeeklyBattles you misunderstood further, iceborn is another race within league lore, Ashe is but a human who lives in the Freijod, not an iceborn.
  36. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    Because Liss own country level attack is an attack that froze friejod cited is not attack that could kills its people either, on a 1v1 or 1varmies level liss is not that strong, and as I said, Ashe did no superhuman feat on her own in lore, without her bow she had to run from a group of assassins.
  37. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    she fought on par with her in game, not in lore, as I explained, she have did no superhuman feats in lore so far. in game we literally have star creator and a guy with a stick fight on par with eachoter cause of balance reason.
  38. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    @ CoreOfimBalance(COB): you misunderstood me, arrow can do country level strike, hell, Arjuna I talk about above have Pashupata, a universe level strike arrow... what I talked about is that in lore Ashe's bow and arrow is but a normal bow and arrow with ice enchantment, she never bursted...
  39. Kodaka

    League of Legend: Freijod characters being overrated

    It seem like Freijod characters, Ashe and Sejuani is being overrated to 6-B and country power level just because they can fight on par with Lissanda and other high power level characters with that power level... in game... for balance purpose. let take Ashe, her Attack Potency is listed to be...
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