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Well, that should finally bring this discussion to a close. I apologize if my earlier attitude was not befitting my usual disposition. I was probably more aggressive than I usually am. There are a lot of other factors sort of stressing me out right now. You know what I'm talking about, Ant.
@Ehnkr2beboh, If one of Superman's justifications is being comparable to Wonder Woman, I believe it is most appropriate to link him to Wonder Woman's page proper to see all of the things we have to say about her rather than a single feat she did.
In any case, I am fine with Firestorm's adjustment to the calculation, and using the term "At most..." does seem more in-line with typical wiki terminology.
I'm pretty positive that immesurable speed was not in use at this point. As for whether Rebirth Barry should scale to Wally's best or not though, that sounds like a discussion for another thread. A lot of people will probably have something to say about it. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about...
I can use the exact same justification to claim that this is the artist's way of portraying creation. Observe: "If the black universe turns to bubbling black spots to white because of entropy, then the reverse would show if the universe was emerging from entropy instead." The only difference is...
That's always how the timestream has been portrayed to my knowledge, but I think you are missing the bigger picture. There is absolutely no evidence that Wally was running backward from the Big Bang. It very explicitely happened behind him and then spun new life out in front of him. He was not...
Firestorm, I think you have misinterpreted my point from above. I was never suggesting that Wally ran into the next universe and met up with everybody again. That part about the universe looping back into itself and replaying everything a second time was just me giving further context about the...
I appreciate the need for counterarguments. I agree that this particular panel is a little difficult to read. I mean, look at it. There is literally a giant DNA coil emerging from the ether. It's clearly an abstract and awkward portrayal of an event that mankind has only theorized about and...
I'll be honest. This is starting to get a little absurd from my point of view. Initially, I was onboard with it being kind of confusing to read and open to interpretation, but it's starting to really feel like we're just looking for any reason within reach to dismiss it.
As if light speed in DC was not inconsistent enough already, to act like the light representing the DC universe's Big Bang is in any way scalable to standard light speed is bordering on disingenuous.
I don't really see any meaningful objections to the argument. Our main point of contention at this moment is that the comic book panel cuts off before we see the full extent of the illustration, despite the Flash clearly running right next to the border of expanding space right after the Big...
@Ant I'm just happy to lend a hand.
I think we should change the description to say "Nearly 3.8 sextillion times," but other than that, I stand by the overall calculation, all things considered.
I disagree. I think that the fact we clearly see the blackness of space forming immediately ahead of Wally indicates that he is on the very edge of the formation. In this respect, the illustration is pretty straight forward. The Flash was deliberately placed just behind the border by the artist...
Yes, I agree. That's a good catch. Perhaps I was not reviewing with the proper level of scrutiny when evaluating this thread earlier. The difference in speed is still relatively minor (on a cosmic scale anyway), but Wally is indeed just behind the growing universe. Perhaps this calls for a...
Sorry. I'm kind of in the middle of something. I have not had time to look over the thread entirely. I just happened across the most recent comment and thought I could share my assurances about the problem. But based on the brief review I just gave it, I do see how this scene could be difficult...
Hi, I'm just popping in to confirm that I'm part of the team responsible for implimenting that blog, and we've already discussed that universe-crossing feats are just going to default to the best estimates we have for a finite universe. They are not going to be disregarded as outliers nor will...
Okay. I've finished rereading through the series, and I'm ready to edit the page now.
Sorry it took so long. Some pretty busy stuff has come up lately.
I'm pretty sure that DeviantArt post has been presented and rejected in the past.
Likewise, I'm pretty sure The Flash calc has been presented and accepted.
Meaning we really should move forward with whatever revisions are needed here and close the thread, as this has diverted quite a bit from...
Either way, if it's really something necessary to add, then we need to unlock The Flash's page and add it. Otherwise, this thread needs to be closed because the topic has concluded.
The truth is that Flash's best speed feats are unquantifiable. They're almost never anything you can put a number to- just unfathomably faster than anything anyone else is doing.
The Flash speed is legit. It was accepted quite a while ago, but it doesn't have anything to do with Wonder Woman or Superman. The Flash is consistently faster than both of them.
I think other speed feats for other characters should probably be reserved for another thread. This one is talking about Wonder Woman, and it has been going on for a little while now.
I have completed the necessary changes.
I'm also in general agreement with Medeus's point. Whether some of the AP-related actions Wonder Woman performed in the comic were outliers or not, the speed feat itself seems fine. It's fairly consistent with portrayals of the Superman family and Green...
Qawsedf and Cal agreed that the Shattered God feat was usable so long as we are only accounting for the calcs that put it in the Quintillions. The higher end calcs are unreliable, but the lower and mid end are consistent with the better feats performed by characters like Superman and Green Lantern.