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  1. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    If your 9-A durability calcs is true, the scroll's feat could possibly be up there, although that has to be calculated as well. Also, again, staying defensive and allowing him to fire his arrows- I doubt he can fire them forever, and Speedwagon just needs Goblin Slayer to go on the offensive.
  2. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Again, the scroll feat is not on the profile and, if it is what you've said, make a CRT for it, as it would put him above 9-B.
  3. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Tough skin meant for tanking sword strikes =/= stronger than GS. If anything, we are looking at an outlier or something a CST can handle.
  4. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Even with speed equalized, he's fast enough to dodge arrows. As well, I wouldn't quite say the Ogre is much stronger than GS himself. If GS survived a heavy blow from the ogre, unless you have durability feats from that ogre, that can't be said. As well, if he's not going to follow Speedwagon...
  5. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Arrows would never hit Speedwagon and the scroll feat isn't listed on the profile so there's little reason to believe it could one-shot Speedwagon until calcs or a CRT are made about it. But if you could supply the force, please do.
  6. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    So you are saying it's inconclusive? Speedwagon would be more than smart enough not to charge at a literal knight in shining armor.
  7. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    If Goblin Slayer is 9-A then this is probably a mis-match. And while Gonlin Slayer is use to sneaky opponents, they certainly won't be as familiar if Speedwagon plays safe and pulls them towards the city, in where it then tilts to Speedwagon's favor since he knows the city far, far better.
  8. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Then is this incon?
  9. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Then Speedwagon just dodged the arrows and continues gaining distance.
  10. Moritzva

    Spiting, but not really. Sans vs Raven

    Hmm, that sounds like a good matchup. Alright, who's making the thread, people?
  11. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    https://gfycat.com/BountifulIdealAntarcticfurseal The fact that a majority of the zombie's durability feats are them being curb stomped by 8-C and higher Hamon users makes them difficult to compare to Speedwagon- however, the fact that these people are always hitting them so hard makes it seem...
  12. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Also, Speedwagon wouldn't purposely disqualify himself- Just play defensive and stay at a range while edging the fight towards the city. Basically, any legal ways that exist that get him toward the city. Given their speeds, it won't take too long.
  13. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Yea, that's what I meant.
  14. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Even at high 9-C, they were completely unaffected, so I'd bargain their actual durabilities are higher.
  15. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Terrain helps because leaving City Park is always an option, and if Speedwagon thinks the city would improve his chances, he'll go for it. Once in the city, he has the advantage. Basically, Speedwagon is still a coward and would see no qualms with heading for a better location to fight.
  16. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Looked at the chandelier scene- They seemed to be completely unaffected by it being kicked down at them by a Likely 8-B character in Straizo. (Although they got stuck, they didn't show any visible injury from this). It's possible Straizo held back, but it's worth considering and calcing. At the...
  17. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    As for the Ogre, I'd say they are pretty close. The Ogre is certainly 9-B, but we don't have a metric for durability and they have been very inconsistent. I do say their feats are very similar in strength- Surviving Dio's attack vs being knocked into the air, both were clearly affected and...
  18. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    For Zombies: https://m.imgur.com/oKKImuv Small ball thrown with enough force to completely obliterate a human head does show they aren't slouches at all offensively. https://m.imgur.com/BW1jNDa Jack the Ripper tossed a carriage so hard the cave they were in collapsed. At the moment, it is...
  19. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Finding exact feats for the zombie is difficult; closest one can get is comparing one to Jack the Ripper, who died to Jonathan's Hamon. However, this does show that Speedwagon has strength enough to fight blow to blow with creatures that other Hamon users need Hamon to kill. Still looking for...
  20. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Okay, then could you give me an AP feat or striking feat that puts him drastically above Speedwagon, with evidence for how durable the creature he hit was?
  21. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Also, I'd like evidence that the person swinging was anywhere near as big or strong as a T-Rex.
  22. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ssx7EYtKhOo/WGTKjFtjMnI/AAAAAAAFJSE/mXxsD3jJE2QXtmxCwMaDaPfw3D6Ix53rACHM/s16000/0008-020.png Damn you, accidentally posting the wrong image. This image shows an Ogre similar to the first one failing to even break a pillar. This hits GS so hard he's down, on the...
  23. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Also, the weapon isn't remotely close to T-Rex size. At least, not in width- it's no bigger than the Ogre's head. The length is hidden off-screen.
  24. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    It hit his arm, very clearly, and close enough to impact his ribs. Hurt or not, he survived. As well, I don't see any feats for the scroll on the profile putting him at above wall-level AP. Goblin Hunter got blasted into the air by the Ogre, so he certainly didn't shrug that off. If it's any...
  25. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    And if the weapon scales above a T-Rex, I would like a feat and calculation for that. Some amount of evidence would do.
  26. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    The argument that it slowed down keeps getting brought up; while true, this even supports the feat in the way. It effortlessly flew through four people! It hit someone, went through them, and the next person, and the next person, and the next person. Effortlessly. But Speedwagon survived. Sure...
  27. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Also, check the feat and look closely. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lxl4XFUh1yU/WGTKi3hGbSI/AAAAAAAFJSE/yjde4-oB5isaXSKshUcvPOhCvH9gZYUgwCHM/s16000/0008-019.png The weapon's width is around the size of the Ogre's head, and GB is clearly reeling over, chest blown backwards, as if hit in the...
  28. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Right, so the Ogre hit with 9-B, while Dio threw the body and has 8-B AP. Even if you are to assume he was barely trying, the force to rip through four people in a row is absolutely absurd- the amount of force needed to do that not once, but four times is incredible. I highly doubt this is below...
  29. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    If you don't believe the hammer is wall-level, go request something. But for this fight, it is, and we're going with it. Also, he quite clearly got hit right in the arm. In the end, we have no feats as to the Ogre's strength so we can't properly say Speedwagon isn't as strong as the Ogre...
  30. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Also, I wouldn't call either that or his feat against Jonathan a massive outlier when both are quite impressive feats and both are on his profile. Assuming both were holding back, he still survived two hefty blows that more than place him at wall-level. https://imgur.com/FASrYcW
  31. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    It is worth noting that Goblin Slayer's durability feat was with his armor, while Speedwagon's feats against Jonathan and Dio were with no armor, so it is likely he could survive a few hits from Goblin Slayer. But yes, it is close. Very close. However, Speedwagon has terrain advantage so I...
  32. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    As well, a durability feat. Speedwagon surviving a thrown body from Dio that dismembers multiple people, surviving with only broken bones: https://m.imgur.com/a/SUwYA This shows he's also not lacking in durability feats, especially considering Dio has Multi-City Block AP and City Block Class...
  33. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    While we do need specific feats for both the ogre and Speedwagon, he's still Wall-Level and a sledgehammer has plenty of force in it. As Goblin Slayer endures the hit, yes he is wall level, but simple force dictates that more force packed in a smaller weapon and sledgehammer will also be more...
  34. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Speedwagon's feats put him right next to Goblin Slayer in raw striking power (Wall-level AP, wall-class striking strength) So unless Goblin Slayer is just as strong as the Ogre in raw strength, which I highly doubt, Speedwagon is stronger than the Ogre. Edit: Speedwagon's striking power is...
  35. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    I'm not exactly sure, but he was able to deal blows to them similar to the other Hamon users. Regardless, he has it. Also, yes, a sledgehammer would indeed **** over armor, yet another thing in Speedwagon's favor. Overall, yea, I think Speedwagon can get this since while Goblin Slayer is more...
  36. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Would GS in-character do that? If so, this might just be inconclusive, actually.
  37. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    I've lived in New York. Trust me, a street thug could certainly find a way- if he thought it was necessary, he could always just retreat to a better place to fight. Seeing how GB would be in a completely new environment and against traps and tricks he's never seen or experienced, while...
  38. Moritzva

    Speedwagon VS Goblin Slayer

    Better fighter or not, I'd bargain Speedwagon wins. Starting in New York, Needwagon would very quickly realize a face to face fight is not in his favor. So, he will more likely spend the battle messing in the shadows. Good fighter or not, Speedwagon was a born street thug with surprisingly...
  39. Moritzva

    Spiting, but not really. Sans vs Raven

    Indeed it was a joke. Now put in twenty Speedwagons, and now we're talking. But back on topic, I bargain Speedwago Raven would be able to hit him before dying. I doubt Sans would be able to actually kill her first, since even with speed equal she's pretty fast and just needs to use one of her...
  40. Moritzva

    Spiting, but not really. Sans vs Raven

    0-2, I'm voting for Raven too, for previous reasons and FRA. ... So, Speedwagon vs Sans anyone-
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