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The problem is it just so many pokemon are learning these TMs without the disk on there own it seems to be a pattern.
There are currently three plus examples of wild pokemon performing TM only moves at the time without any training.
Group of wild Shuckle knew toxic without it being in the learn...
I believe the shuckle example came from pokemon adventures. Other medium are hard to go through since in pokemon mystery dungeon any pokemon can use a TM at free will. And in the games random trainers can have TMs and have wild pokemon usually not learn them for people not to get over powered...
yeah not even going to touch the canon thing. My reasoning for tutoring in general mostly boils down to it being similiar in methods to TMs since they funtionally do the same thing in game and in the anime. Of being a way to teach pokemon new moves via a disk which teaches the move vs training...
Yo sorry for bothering you I was wondering if I could have your option on these. It will change every pokemon
https://vsbattles.com/threads/huge-pokemon-crt-2.110540/#post-3476733
https://vsbattles.com/threads/huge-pokemon-crt-2-5-tms.110568/
Yo sorry for bothering you I was wondering if I could have your option on these. It will change every pokemon
https://vsbattles.com/threads/huge-pokemon-crt-2.110540/#post-3476733
https://vsbattles.com/threads/huge-pokemon-crt-2-5-tms.110568/
This got bigger than expected so I had to split the CRT
Some of the general changes that where agreed on was Roar being fear inducement and double team being after image creation
I am glad you guys like the CRT
I agree with the change for Double team.
Here is a different CRT just for the TM/Move Tutor since I this CRT got a lot bigger than expected. So we can talk about the other things on the CRT
Remove on the TM/Move Tutor lock
Pokemon can learn moves from TMs and Move Tutors in nature or without the aid of the TMs. This is likely the exact same with TRs.
Examples
Cacnea learns Drain Punch which was a ™ in Gen 4 which was the only way it could be learned
Gible knew a form of draco...
most of the descriptions say they scare them off, The foe is scared off...
With gen 4-8 repeating this description along with gen 2 stating Scares wild foes to end battle
For Roar it seems to drive away the pokemon as seen here "A terrifying roar that drives the target away". And in the roaming encounters in HG/SS they could use roar to end the battle.
The problem is there are just examples of pokemon just straight up learning moves even without training. Best...
Spectrier
It probes its surroundings with all its senses save one—it doesn't use its sense of sight. Spectrier's kicks are said to separate soul from body.
Soul Manip
Moltres
This Pokémon's sinister, flame-like aura will consume the spirit of any creature it hits. Victims become burned-out...
HatBot-Ler gets crushed by steel
It takes 0.0375 seconds for the shadow to fall from the top of the screen to the bottom
A HatBot is 87.3 cm a single pixel is 0.00329433962 cm
Distance from the top is 222.367924528 cm or 2.22367924528meters from the top
so it reaches the speed of...
I think death manipulation was talked about earlier I just forgot to list it, but yeah adding pain manip from the quote seems 100% right.
I will message Antvasima with the conclusions like he asked.
I just said Unown was still in contention but will be moved to a future CRT. But the abilities...
Just going to list what is still or left a contentious state
Mean Look: Resolved, minor sealing
Infestation: Resolved, animal/insect manip
Destiny Bond: resolved, all mentions will be changed to damage transferal
Unown: still in divided contention
Gardevoir: no. Possible new page but overall...
Ultra beasts are able to come from ultra worm holes +4500 LY away in seconds. Then Necrozma should be above them, who fights Solagleo. (I don't have the exact calc though so might be off)
But the point was they they hadn't started fighting yet. They literally have a stare down with neither...
@YuriAkuto yeah....shit you right lmao.
damage tranferal sounds right since yeah kinda problem since they just faint. So yeah death manip is out. Sounds good to me
hmmm maybe it could be damage transferal mixed with durability negation since it brings them down to zero despite what they where at. This is just me throwing darts at a dart board in all honestly though.
Yeah on destiny bond the first thing that is easily thrown out is limited fate manipulation. With the name and dragging them down not being sure fire evidence for limited fate manipulation. I am not sure if it is damage transferal since it only transfers death no matter the actual amount of...
So here is my thoughts
Gardevoir honestly this was a last minute addition that I regret adding on. It seems like the general consesion is a sepearate page which I think is a great idea.
Mean look: shows minor sealing since they can't escape with things such as the pokeball showing evidence of...
Destiny bond. Is it limited fate manipulation and death manipulation or just death manipulation? I personally believe it is just death manipulation but either way it needs to be smoothed out to be the same ability in different pages.
was that really necessary dude? I mean I understand trying to plug your pages but this isn't really the time and place. Also was that last comment necessary?
What else would we need to make the changes listed?
Let's put the list
Major Contested: Gardevoir
Minor Contested: Unown and Mean Look/infestion
cleared: everything else
Infestion was agreed to be not likely minor sealing.
I disagree with Mean Look. Since it just makes them unable to flee as well as things such as Return unable to work. Honestly you probably right with trapping though. I just put it there since it was put on some profiles that had the move
I just found something regarding the unown. In the Darkria movie it starts with Palkia and Dialgia in the unown dimesion (another shot of this) this is before any fighting has even started. The unown cleared all stars in the dimension. Again here is a shot of all the stars they are all gone. So...
I was just saying labeling things as head canon to prove a point with no evidence is generally not a good idea. Which you kinda did
"but it would just come off as me talking you quite down"-"How innocent, those are just images of them being there" not a problem before
Then the fact they have...
It is highly likely since it is a pocket dimension that all unown can travel to and send others to. That along with the fact they have shown creation feats when in a group of a couple dozens (defiently not to the same scale). Now it is the same thing with thousands if not millions.
@Robot972
dude go ahead. The more changes the better
@Ionliosite
I personally disagree since the characters in pokken do fight shadow mewtwo who already has the scaling. But yeah via creation still sounds good to me.
Victini
At least 5-B, likely 4-B (Was able to disable all pillars with power compared to Zekrom/Reshiram who had to do it one at a time)
Planetary range via Supernatural Luck, Victini was giving trainers all over the world the strength to beat Team GO Rocket
Proof that Willow was talking about...