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Her ability to send people to the void does seem to be passive whenever she's distressed IIRC, but not all the time, as she can also use it willingly in a fight. Also, the Pandora Box isn't related to her ability. It's just how she dealt with The Void in the end.
I just made additions to the votes section above. Can I get everyone's stance on the following points:
Infinite Speed:
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral: @Axscell
Regeneration Negation:
Agree with regeneration negation:
Agree with resurrection negation: @Axscell
Disagree with both:
Internal Damage...
@XDragnoir , @Zensum , @Accelerate420
Am I correct to assume that you guys are fine with the proposed AP/Tier rating?
To organize things, and help this move along,
Current points of contention:
1. Regeneration negation
2. Infinite speed
3. Immunity/Resistance to various forms of internal...
These are the specific instance of a direct showcase and statement, demonstrating and explaining her immunity to internal damage:
Is it really not enough to justify this, when there's a direct showing and statement?:
I am fine with having her as 5B Physically, at least High 1-C, likely far higher with Live Adventures in Wonderland tbh. Don't think there was any difference in terms of physicals between Front and Backstage Alice IIRC.
Yeah, I think that works better.
He punched her sure, but there's no...
Priority: 1
Verse: Toaru Majutsu no Index
Description: Tier (High 1-C) and speed (SoL & Infinite) upgrade, along with several ability additions (e.g. Concept Manipulation, various resistances & immunities). Staff input required, especially on the topic of speed.
Well speed calc for Tris aside, I think it's okay to place Alice's speed at At least SoL, since we have this statement from the battle between Alice, Anna and Tris, directly stating that she was always faster than both (which should include Tris' attacks)
As for listing down the forms of...
Is there a specific part that needs to be calced? Idk, his reactions scaling to his attack speed made sense to me because he was physically moving to attack at SoL speeds, rather than shooting a SoL projectile. If it was the latter, I could why his reactions wouldn't necessarily scale to his...
I'm pretty sure Lilith's miracle was a different thing from Alice's and Fiamma's. With Alice, it specifically refers to her special abilities, all of which have been named (Walking, Crawling, Flicking etc), and with Fiamma, it was referring to miracles performed by Jesus in the bible.
Kamachi...
...the fate of the world)
5. Existence Erasure: (Cannot be erased by Vidhatri, who can erase people's existence by ommiting mentions of them.)
6. *Mind Manipulation: (Cannot be affected by Blodeuwedd's ability to control all living beings.)
7. Curse Manipulation: (Cannot be affected by 2nd...
As long as there's no statements that contradict the SoL Lightning, I agree.
(Who's gonna scale to this, other than Touma & Gunha?)
Not so big on calculations myself, but they seem okay. So yeah, agree with everything IG
Nothing, other than cement her as the most disappointing Transcendent we've seen so far.
Jokes aside, this is pretty much the extent of everything she did or at least tried to do:
...the fate of the world)
3. Existence Erasure: (Cannot be erased by Vidhatri, who can erase people's existence by ommiting mentions of them.)
4. *Mind Manipulation: (Cannot be affected by Blodeuwedd's ability to control all living beings.)
5. Curse Manipulation: (Cannot be affected by 2nd...
This is one quote from the LN regarding that. It straight up states that she's immune to all types of internal damage:
Should be enough for resistance, I think.
Seeing as there is a whole difference of physical AP and abilities (miracles), shouldn't we just make a separate key? i.e.
This is what I currently have for her AP/Tier in the CRT, without separate keys:
Idk, seems like it could come across a bit messy and confusing to others.
Okay. That should be easy enough.
Idk about that tbh. Seemed like the only difference between the two was her access to miracles. Is that enough to require a separate key?
Gonna have to revisit and reread those parts.
That should indicate resistance, right? Aside from that we also have passages like this one, among others, that reiterate that the Transcendents are essentially helpless against Alice:
Who's the Sukuna ripoff and Salome repackage? 😭
What speed do we place Trismegistus at (specifically his sword slashes)? I'm trying to scale Alice's speed, and he's the closest we've got to a speed scaling for her.
There is also CRC who was able to react a light-speed gun IIRC, and Alice was able to blitz him (scaling is a bit weaker here)...
Maybe they can be listed under her equipments? And under her abilities, we can specify which specific abilities require which equipment. Similar to what I did with Time Travel for this profile.
Oh, I see. Didn't realize they had been termed that (They're also referred to as Wonders apparently, so we'll have to decide on that too).
Do they really have any distinct enough abilities to necessitate a separate P&A section for them? Also, weren't most of their abilities purely physical (no...
Noted.
By Alice Series, are you referring to her miracles (walking, crawling, grabbing etc)? I was already thinking of separating those from her Live Adventures in Wonderland ability/feats.
I'm currently making the CRT (in a sandbox) for changes and additions to be made for Alice's profile. Feel free to add suggestions and any extra information that I failed to mention in my previous post regarding her feats.
As for Alice, I'd still prefer to stick to a tier rating of At least High 1-C, likely/possibly far higher, as it's the safest and doesn't really rely on any assumptions.
But there's no harm in suggesting the Hilbert Space stuff (in the CRT) since several here are adamant and seem convinced by...
Some additions for the Transcendents from GT10 (we still don't have profiles for them, right?):
1. Mind Manipulation?: Blodeuwedd's ability to control all living beings (pretty sure there was a mention of it being on a planetary scale somewhere, but I couldn't find it)
2. Spatial...
Yeah, fate manipulation sounds fitting.
Perhaps something like "Death Manipulation via Fate Manipulation"? He is only dying as a result of her "prophecy" after all.