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  1. MinatoSparkle

    Android 17 vs Hit

    People keep bringing up Hit's time abilities, but Blue Goku was able to fight against that, who was weaker than 17, and though Goku may be better at raw fighting genius, 17 is quite a tactical and skilled fighter himself. I'm pretty sure he could also break through the basic time abilities of...
  2. MinatoSparkle

    Zen'ō vs DIO

    Then what is "muda him too nothing" supposed to mean?
  3. MinatoSparkle

    Zen'ō vs DIO

    Doesn't that just include Dio throwing a knife at the enemy? I somehow don't think throwing a bunch of knives at the ruler of the multiverse would do much...
  4. MinatoSparkle

    Zen'ō vs DIO

    I think they've all known because they've been told beforehand that they'll be erased if they lose, so they just assume they're being erased. I give it to Zeno because other than one ability, Dio is ridiculously weak to Zeno.
  5. MinatoSparkle

    Massive Goku Black, and Shenron Upgrades! Dragonball Fusions feats.

    Isn't that exactly what Xeno Son Goku is?
  6. MinatoSparkle

    Android 17 and Golden Frieza Upgrade (plus possible upgrade for all Dragon ball Super characters)

    I just realized, Frieza survived a Hakai blast from Toppo, which warped an infinite dimension, and he stood up a minute later. So at least his durability should be Universe Level+. And 17 did a similar thing, by surviving the explosion of a serious blast from Jiren and an explosion with enough...
  7. MinatoSparkle

    17 is alive

    I know. I keep thinking how 17 is Low-2-C. There are so many showings from episode 127 and 130 that should put 17 into a higher tier, but apparently 1.5 episodes of proof is completely "PIS."
  8. MinatoSparkle

    Tirek vs. Kharn

    If using current forms, I vote inconclusive, but if Full Power Tirek, I think I'll give a slight edge to him.
  9. MinatoSparkle

    Lord Tirek vs Vegito

    You say Base Vegito is roughly SSJ3 Goku level, but that doesn't make sense, as SSJ3 Goku Full Power couldn't do anything against Buutenks, but Base Vegito seemed to be winning against Buuhan,and it was even close to being a stomp. This should mean Base Vegito is at least 2-3x SSJ3 Goku.
  10. MinatoSparkle

    This is not a thread to shit on DB but Twilight vs Raven

    It extremely lowballed Twilight and Raven.
  11. MinatoSparkle

    This is not a thread to shit on DB but Twilight vs Raven

    Less than that.
  12. MinatoSparkle

    Twilight Sparkle Upgrade

    Eh, you never know, but at least I now know why it's not listed as that.
  13. MinatoSparkle

    Twilight Sparkle Upgrade

    Ah, I see. It didn't specify on the tiers page. Either way though, Rainbow Power was efoortlessly able to defeat a being 8x stronger than Celestia, so there is an incredibly slim chance that Rainbow Power is 4-A. Albeit, a very low one, but it could at least be listed as possible, since we've...
  14. MinatoSparkle

    Twilight Sparkle Upgrade

    Twilight's Elements form, 4 alicorn state, and Rainbow Power are all listed as 4-B. And Princess Celestia is listed as that too. This makes no logical sense, as all of these are several times more powerful than Celestia at least. It's especially weird considering Rainbow Power is likely way more...
  15. MinatoSparkle

    Android 17 Upgrade

    Just because a Low 2-C character easily defeated someone else, doesn't mean they're not Low 2-C. For example, the Grand Priest would destroy Jiren, but they're both still Low 2-C. One character being massively stronger than another doesn't automatically mean they're in different tiers.
  16. MinatoSparkle

    Android 17 Upgrade

    I can see that Android 17 is at 3A level, and I personally disagree. This is because Goku and Jiren were shaking the entire world of void, stated to be an infinite dimmension of nothingness, in initial Ultra Instinct and Supressed states respectively. While in Ultra Instinct, Goku is barely able...
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