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i can go either way on this one , i can see 2-A , but i can see the reasoning for the downgrades , but i still buy 2-A , so i guess ill disagree for now , but hey im cool with having them at 2-b , so either way doesnt really matter to me.
andriod 17 ftw , axel could not even dent xehanort in kh3 and was quite weak compared to sora and roxas , while andriod 17 can easily contend with ssb goku and toppo , which being able to contend with ssb goku is far more impressive than anything axel has done , but both are universal and axel...
you seam to know a lot about animals , i can admire that , anyways , yeah i agree , in a face to face , cougar wins due to sueperior weapons (Claws and Teeth) , weight , speed and Is typically more agressive in 1 v 1 fight.
rabbits dont really fight and i dont think the frog would try to eat something that big (they typically eat much smaller animals like rats , snakes , lizards , insects etc , but in a forced fight to the death , probobly the rabbit .
if we use both , having multi-solar system level ap and durabillty , then kirby probobly outhaxes and wins , if we use multi-universal sonic , then he stomps in a heart beat , depends how strong you think sonic is honestly .
its still a stomp even with the kaiokien upgrade , because crono is so much stronger , faster , more durable and haxier than sayain saga goku , it isnt even funny , even if goku had kaiokien , crono has far too much advantages to lose.
atacully you are correct , reading stats for both , it seams crono has all the advantages , besides better range attacks , to which crono speed blitzes and out haxes anyways .
atacully reading the other goku vs crono thread , yeah i do kinda relize this is a stomp , as crono seams to have every advantage , so i guess we can close this now , in spite of being a mismatch.
this is basically a stronger version of goku than the one from the sayian saga and having dwarf star level stats , should be more than enough for goku to one shot (using the last threads points) , so its a stomp in favor of goku Imo
no ones debating if crono would win or not , its just a matter of this being a stomp , which im not seeing but again it depends how seriously you take tiers , so i could be wrong
how is this still a mismatch , it says on his page
At least Dwarf Star level post-Zenkai (Stronger than Vegeta and Piccolo, and fought against a very casual Frieza in his final form),
that should give him a pretty big advantage .
well , you saying that his attacks would just complety bounce off crono is a bit much , as he would take a little bit of damage before winning , its not like a universe buster , facing a solar system buster ,but it depends how seriously you take tiers , so idk
idk , but the power levels should make goku win here , as goku is now easily a star buster in the frieza saga , even before ssj and crono is stuck at large planet , and i think kaiokien multiples like this.
x2 20,000
x3 multiplies the 10,000 making it 30,000
saying none of his attacks would do no damage to him seams streched as well , as with planet level stats , he should at least be able to do a descent amount of damage to crono before losing , that being said , i back crono here to win , but definally not in a stomp imo, but it honestly depends...
well , kaiokien buffs him to dwarf star level .as stated on his page , so it is very possible that he could be large planet level , thus closing the gap
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Son_Goku_(Dragon_Ball_Z)
thats if he can even hit goku in the first place and even then i dont think hes getting one shoted , goku has teleportation and better range attacks , that can make up for the slight disadvantage he has and any hit isnt just gonna kill him , as not every hit crono is throwing is planet busting ...
yes , kaiokien on his page supossedly amps him up a bit , however i do think crono may win due to the advantages at hand but i disagree with it being a stomp or mismatch.
well supossedly the last thread was a stomp , so i deciceded to amp goku up a bit , by giving him his frieza saga feats .
rules
fight takes place on namek
goku cannot turn ssj and can only use kaiokien
crono can use all of his magic and weapons
who wins???
Kaiokien supossedly amps him up to planet level or higher , so idk , so overall im gonna have to disagree with lonliosite on this being a stomp , as they are reltivilty in the same tier and crono has a slight ap advantage and goku could possibly be higher as the op mentions.
one shot , yeah no , 45 times stronger is not enough of a gap to someone one shots or stomps , its definally no stomp or complete victory , as goku has plenty of attacks to hit crono with at range , so that will give him a hard time , while crono would have to rely on head on attacks , which...
okay , my bad , but its not nearly enough to be a stomp , a stomp would be like planet level to solar system level , a slight power advantage , does not equal a complete stomp or victory , thats not how it works and crono doesnt really have much good range attacks , where as goku does , not to...
no , goku in the sayian saga is considered dwarf star and definally large planet scaling to vegeta , also the gap is not so huge , not big enough to be a big ass stomp .
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Son_Goku_(Dragon_Ball_Z)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Crono
chrono trigger vs dragon ball , which spiky haired hero will win????
crono gets all of his weapons and magic
goku can use kaiokien and can use his items like a senzu bean for example.
it doesnt matter how evil or good jiren is , in a head to head fight , babdi will never win as jiren will just one shot him before he has time , plus babdi is pretty weak anyways and even buu beat him and hes not nearly as strong as jiren , so overall jiren takes this easy imo.
dude cut it out with the babdi threads , seriously he isnt even that powerful and got killed by piccolo , who was only semi-perfect cell level at the time and frieza should easily solo dbz at this point.