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  1. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    He could have at least two keys then, but I don’t know how strong his base form is. He mostly has feats against fodders iirc. Not sure how to scale that.
  2. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Solidly above Dragon King class. He beat someone comparable to Yasaka. Although why does it matter?
  3. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    You didn’t? Issei quite explicitly says he uses Boost when those announcements ring out. There’s also no contradictions to this idea, as far as I remember. It’s likely Boost simply got replaced since the BG got influenced by the Dragon God auras in those specific transformations. Huh..? You’ve...
  4. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Every now and then, yeah. But it’s almost always mentioned. That would be saying Ishi just now decides not to show Boost when Issei uses DxD or AxA every time, conveniently and only for those transformations. He still does it for CxC, so it would be odd if he conveniently left it out for DxD...
  5. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Initially I was confused but they should be the Boost versions. Issei explicitly says he used Boost in the Erebus and Vidar fights. @MasqueTLDF The channeling Dragon Gid powers thing is not contradictory. Issei channels Boost to his fists alone several times before unlocking the Dragon God...
  6. Burning_Full_Fingers

    DxD Rule addition: Class Scaling

    I would rather no one got reported, but getting angry or fed up at me won’t do anything. I still have several things to bring up. I simply hate the idea of bending over the plot and internal consistency to accommodate these fanon numbers from Boost. It’s very unfortunate that biggatons from...
  7. Burning_Full_Fingers

    DxD Rule addition: Class Scaling

    I strongly disagree with the overall premise of the thread, as stated in the discussion thread. The devil rankings are based on power. The promotion system itself is literally based on one-on-one fights to assess power levels, military achievements and Rating Game achievements. This is why...
  8. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Before I come back to continue my arguments. 1. It seems like the Juggernaut Drive scaling is wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/HighschoolDxD/s/YJzyv2KZE3 Should be adjusted if that’s true. 2. I just looked at the Boosted Gear blog again, and why is it not being used for Dragon Deification...
  9. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    I almost want to use that pot and kettle analogy but I will refrain, because I don’t want us to get heated here. Aren’t you the one who advocates for politeness and not resorting to personal attacks? Bias is uncalled for. But anyway. I’m simply pointing out obvious flaws with this whole process...
  10. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Neither does the inconsistent Boost then. After Volume 21? Yes. Before that? No. What scale? I’m genuinely not sure what you’re talking about. You’re also basing it on Boost, which itself is not the most consistent thing in the world. Okay, at least we can agree with this. Please tell...
  11. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Mind you, I truly do not care about Boost and whether it’s used for stats or not. All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t **** up everything else to accommodate the Boost multipliers. You can address my claims progressively. Let’s not rush. It’s actually better to do this here than a CRT where we...
  12. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Also, by the way, someone on Reddit checked the Juggernaut Drive raws and it wasn’t up to 40+ Boosts. Not sure if it’ll affect the Small Star rating, but it was 30+ iirc. Check the sub @MasqueTLDF
  13. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    The Boost multipliers are now being used to override everything in the novel. To summarize, these are the things that override for the sake of Boost alone: Class rankings Pawn values in the world tournament Wings correlating to strength for angels and fallen angels Characters being explicitly...
  14. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Some of these are instinctual. Like yes, some classes have power gaps. The point is, on average, Ultimate class > High class, or Maou class > Ultimate class. Ten wings > eight wings, etc. To get into some of the things I disagree with: Incorrect. Boost is the most inconsistent ability and...
  15. Burning_Full_Fingers

    Go ahead. I can make my own thread later when I have more time to debate and gather quotes. It...

    Go ahead. I can make my own thread later when I have more time to debate and gather quotes. It could be quite long since I want to tackle several erroneous things, that’s why.
  16. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    They said the youkai brought along with Yasaka were those confident in their strength. Besides, sometimes weaklings can matter in large numbers. A group of middle class beings working together can beat an inexperienced high class devil according to Shin DxD volume 1. It does depend on the context.
  17. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    What? That’s not the case at all. Is this a lack of reading comprehension? The statement is that Cadres are stronger than Mirana. Mirana is broadly described as inferior to a Cadre. Cadres include Kokabiel, Azazel, Barakiel, Armaros, Penemune, etc. This simply means that all of these Cadres...
  18. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Okay, yeah. Just checked volume 12 and Kiba doesn’t say Kunou is increasing Yasaka’s power. She did have an army of youkai there though.
  19. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    He has the exact same Pawn value as Yu Long under the same tournament rules, which is 5. The same as Ouryuu and one higher than Rossweisse (5). I might actually need to make an extensive thread to address all of this in detail (class ranking, multipliers, Pawn values, debunking the Maou class...
  20. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Not sure honestly, I just remembered it’s a thing but I don’t feel like going back to check volume 12 rn.
  21. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    The Yasaka statement was moreso a general statement of her power. Don’t think it takes into account the leylines, because iirc, Yasaka with the leylines briefly overpowered Yu Long. Also, Yasaka fought the Bandersnatch with Kunou who can enhance her power.
  22. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Nah, I have only used canon statements but you people are basing everything on your fanon numbers using Boost multipliers, which are based off fanon calcs at that. According to what I have seen today: DxD Zero doesn’t mean anything. Kokabiel is somehooow excluded from the statement that...
  23. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Shalba was at the level of the original Beelzebub and he was the leader of the Maou faction. That implies he’s stronger than Katerea, which adds up because Beelzebub is second behind Lucifer. Heck, Azazel was about to use Balance Breaker against Cruzurey. He’s not stronger than any of them...
  24. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    Yeah, I didn’t say you tried to scale Issei to middle-class. I think you are misunderstanding me, but let us continue in the discussion thread.
  25. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    But I don’t think it even has a bearing on the discussion we’ve just had. For instance, nobody tried to scale Issei to middle-class because there’s exceptions to the rule. I was trying to say CxC is Ultimate class because it was stated as such by Issei, Kuroka and Azazel to be Ultimate class in...
  26. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    That’s fine.
  27. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    Please tag me for that in the discussion thread because I am going to disagree with it. Let me know in advance when you want to make the thread.
  28. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    He said so, but I have no interest anymore. The scaling is just off. Azazel can’t even be stronger than the original Maou, because he got overpowered by Katerea once she increased her power to the level of the original Leviathan. There’s many things wrong with the scaling values suggested imo...
  29. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    The quote outright says Mirana’s attack is weaker than a Cadre, yet Kokabiel is conveniently much weaker than Mirana and the statement doesn’t apply to him? Damn. How and why exactly is Kokabiel excluded from this? He has somehow turned into the weakest Cadre by orders of magnitudes because...
  30. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    I’m talking about his team members. Dulio is surely stronger than the old Maou based on matching partial Dragon Deification. Armaros, Barakiel and Azazel are somehow now orders of magnitudes above the Maou that rivaled them during the war? It’s especially ridiculous since the Maou were at a...
  31. Burning_Full_Fingers

    High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

    Look at what I’m talking about @MasqueTLDF @TotalMasterInfinity Look at what the novel tells you. How in the world are you going to have the main characters as Small Planet level and Cadres at Multi Continent level, when something almost on the level of a Cadre can easily overpower them? All...
  32. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    You didn’t even address anything I said. Dead for centuries doesn’t mean anything when the main characters are getting matched and overpowered by Cadre-class attacks. Answer the simple questions: - Are these random characters matching Irina and Xenovia in volume 22 stronger than a Cadre? No...
  33. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    And I didn’t mean to disrupt the thread to this extent, or anything. I simply find the idea that some of these characters mentioned can stomp a Maou as ridiculous. We’d basically be updating the profiles with information that directly goes against what’s shown in the novel. We can’t be having...
  34. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    You’ll need to make a new thread because this one is already derailed and the mods will be confused. Besides, I’m not sure it’s derailing because I’m disagreeing with the scaling values proposed. That is, Kokabiel isn’t weaker than the current main characters (Rossweisse, Akeno, Irina, etc) so...
  35. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    Also, I just remembered that Yukihiko literally stalemated Irina. Bruh, come on, guys. These people aren’t Maou class at all.
  36. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    It’s not the “past.” These are from volume 22 onwards: Xenovia and Irina are stalemated by angels that are much weaker than Cadres. Like, your scaling means they could have stomped Barakiel in volume 22 which is completely illogical. I don’t think you guys are considering the ramifications of...
  37. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    So the new argument now is that wings mean nothing, when we literally see the opposite for Irina and Akeno. They both gain more wings as they power up, but apparently it’s irrelevant. Lol, I think I’m done here. Crazy how all of this is based on Boost stacking. All well and good, but none of...
  38. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    ??? You claimed that new antagonists are stronger than the previous. I’m telling you that isn’t necessarily the case. How are you turning your own point against me…? Not when you’re using them to claim characters are stronger than where they are narratively supposed to be. And nothing...
  39. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    Are you for real? Irina doesn’t have more than eight wings; she’s not stronger than a twelve winged Seraph. How can you think Irina is above Michael and Gabriel? You realize this logic also makes eight winged Akeno stronger than Kokabiel and Azazel? Let’s be for real, please. And yes, the...
  40. Burning_Full_Fingers

    (Staff Needed) DxD Cast Stat Revision 1

    No, he doesn’t. He’s weaker than Roygun and Diehauser, and he regards Diehauser as a complete monster. Unless you also think Diehauser is stronger than the new Maou. Not true. Kokabiel palmed her attack and he’s far below a Maou. Also, you do remember that the new Maou were initially meant to...
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