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  1. StrymULTRA

    UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

    Nah. The light seemed to behave inconsistently.
  2. StrymULTRA

    Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

    Huh... what about this?
  3. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    No staff came in lol, and doubt will come at this rate.
  4. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    I'd personally just close this and make another thread for it, as this became way too long to evaluate a single range upgrade for a single character tbh.
  5. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Congrats, I can't unsee it.
  6. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Honestly I think we shouldn't put a simple calc upgrade in such a controversial talk 🗿, but whatevs. I can talk of the Frisk stuff in another thread though, as I know it's getting too lengthy and messy.
  7. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Frisk has literally resistance to EE and Info 2 at their peak lol. Plus it can just mean that Frisk's SOUL is under Chara's possession similar to how we own Kris' SOUL in DR. Asriel simply had no knowledge of the Player until the end of Pacifist. Or maybe, Frisk can just take the Player's...
  8. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Not really. There's literally no proof that Frisk died from it. Everything is really vague to the point that you can't really deduce who Chara was talking to between Frisk, Player or both. However, I did find something interesting in the Legends of Localization Book (which yes, it's official...
  9. StrymULTRA

    Questioning some OFF (game) stats: Part 1 of 3

    Actually I think that room is just the beginning of the erasure of the Zone 3, as it wouldn't make sense for Judge to wander in a tiny white room if before he was just travelling in open areas. I just thought it's interesting. Anyway, I do not think it's enough to just pretend that Tier 5 does...
  10. StrymULTRA

    Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

    How did he incon against Sans then, who isn't even in the top 10 non smurfs.
  11. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    I'd like to note that if we make Frisk = Chara in stats, it'd mean that Asriel simply upscales from them. Lil bit like Ness and Giygas, where the latter was absurdly above Ness to the point that he couldn't do damage to him, but was still strong enough to endure a decent amount of hits, Frisk...
  12. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Resistance feat for Frisk, problem solved.
  13. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Either Frisk downscales, similar to how MTT box isn't leagues above them, or the whole "Frisk was holding back" thing holds some merit.
  14. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Chara directly relates their DT to their power, and then proceeds to talk of the mumbo jumbo of "my DT was actually yours", so nah. Chara's DT is what allowed them to perform the 2-B feat, it's the entire reason why Player is that tier to begin with.
  15. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Chara might have used Frisk's DT to perform the 2-B feat.
  16. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    I mean, if it's a resistance they'd break out more often, I think.
  17. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    That's already said in the Player in their weakness iirc, as even Kris can resist to some degree sometimes.
  18. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Actually this whole thing makes me think of something... What if Chara was talking to both Frisk and the Player? It wouldn't make sense for Chara to completely pretend that Frisk just does not exist in this whole array, especially if they have to use their body to interact with the world first...
  19. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    There I am neutral tbh.
  20. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    All I read is "they deal more damage so it's proof that they only possess Frisk at the end of Genocide". Inflicting the minimal damage requires to one shot prior to Sans isn't exactly the strongest proof, as we still see Chara taking over Frisk's body before that. However your proof isn't...
  21. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    How is number 9 being Chara's fav being relevant?
  22. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    "9999999 ATK" from where? If you mean the 99 ATK thing, that comes from the Real Knife, but that's not a mandatory item to finish the Genocide. All that I got is that at best we make the possession as Limited and that's it.
  23. StrymULTRA

    Questioning some OFF (game) stats: Part 1 of 3

    Huh... what about this though? Edit: I know that this might be lowkey unrelated as the context between the two white spaces definitely seems different, just interesting enough to point out.
  24. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Mind elaborating?
  25. StrymULTRA

    Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

    It ended up as incon, so I'd make the list like this for 8-B, based on the previous convo: 12. Something / Reaper Bird 13. Characters from Undertale (Undyne, Asgore and Mettaton) 14. World Gobbler 15. Ulthane
  26. StrymULTRA

    sans vs The Long Quiet (Undertale vs. Slay The Princess) (4-0-0)

    Ngl that Social Influencing reason does sound sus as hell. Don't care enough to remove it but it's indeed going too much in meta territory.
  27. StrymULTRA

    Grace - Indie Horrors duke out (Reaper Bird vs SOMETHING)

    I somehow forgor about it lmfao. But anyway, that was generally my idea as well, both can't do anything to the other, so Incon too.
  28. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    This is genuinely derailing. It's not even the first time you do this, so just stop.
  29. StrymULTRA

    Grace - Indie Horrors duke out (Reaper Bird vs SOMETHING)

    Physical attack and Magic are the same, yes. Who told you this? The magic in Undertale still needs to go through physical durability first before harming the SOUL of a human, it doesn't matter for them being able to punch ghosts (which are still explicitly monsters, mind you). For humans is a...
  30. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Orange... I don't know how can you interpet Undyne's blatant yapping about putting your whole heart which just wasn't followed as "Frisk can still attack at full force while holding back", which is a contradictory claim. Nah, That does not need AP I am afraid. So is irrelevant. Perhaps...
  31. StrymULTRA

    Grace - Indie Horrors duke out (Reaper Bird vs SOMETHING)

    Well, you're wrong, also because monsters physically ramming on you inflicts SOUL damage too (and yes, the spiders aren't just something Muffet creates, they're real) I know, I am just saying that for them there's no difference between incorporeal and corporeal, as normal magic can harm...
  32. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    That was disproved on screen tho. Who is the one who has made an essay on how the MISS animation works? Not you. So argument from incredulity, got it. This isn't a meaning of being a parallel. Chara is a parallel to the Player due to them choosing their name, and Chara also directly saying...
  33. StrymULTRA

    Grace - Indie Horrors duke out (Reaper Bird vs SOMETHING)

    Well, SOULs contain also emotions, that being love, hope and compassion. I am aware, but he can still heal back I am arguing this. I am beginning to understand from where you're coming from. However... nah. It's not like just the techniques monsters use are magic, the monsters' bodies are made...
  34. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Not lying, she was just wrong here. There's 0 proof of it outside durability. Photoshop Flowey still takes damage, Asriel not even that. You're just being a broken disc at this point. LMAO M A O I put the Tumblr links only because on their own they give a great deal of evidence of Chara's...
  35. StrymULTRA

    Doomguy vs Yhwach | 7-1-0 (grayson)

    Music Playlist with a game for free FRA
  36. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    K. Pretty much. Pretty much this, given that Frisk has showcased no objective proofs of them being able to harm Asriel if they want to. Using Undyne here isn't evidence, as the case is more similar to MTT's, given both the text and how the "damage" is processed by these bosses. Chara is...
  37. StrymULTRA

    Grace - Indie Horrors duke out (Reaper Bird vs SOMETHING)

    Given that on the wiki we generally do stuff out of semantics, iirc we equalize that stuff. It's not really relevant, as they're still invulnerable to damage and would extend the HP bar instead of losing HPs. The damage dealt from Something can still be registred and healed from Sunny, no...
  38. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    Tbh Chara's 2nd key mostly exist just to not ignore their existence before the ending of Genocide, as they indeed are relevant here. Nothing says that the Player has no agency, just that they are relevant enough to take actions sometimes, which is showcased even before the Sans fight- Though I...
  39. StrymULTRA

    Grace - Indie Horrors duke out (Reaper Bird vs SOMETHING)

    Huh huh... One of Undertale Monsters' main thing is literally their NPI, given that Monsters are made of magic, thus can interact with SOULs and ghosts: Non-Physical Interaction: Monsters' magic is showcased to be able to actually harm Mad Dummy, who couldn't be damaged from Frisk because of...
  40. StrymULTRA

    Undertale: Chara, Frisk and Sans revisions (FAILURE)

    You're now trying to argue random things out of desperation. Yes, I used it to prove that DT doesn't always increase everything, and Frisk's stats without it are both 0, the Amalgamates' stats without it don't matter here. Unreliable statement. This is just so stupid that I don't comprehend...
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