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  1. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Narnia is not an Arian cosmology and Aslan is very much the equal of the Emperor. That's all there is to say on that. Gotta say I'm pretty skeptical of High 1-A+/Tier 0 Narnia based on that reasoning, ngl. Seems like yapping to me.
  2. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Done so.
  3. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    I suppose that's a good idea to avoid confusion.
  4. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    I don't think that is needed, no, given how sparse such characters are. If, somehow, they start becoming numerous in the future, I think we can go back and have a discussion on whether to make more sub-divisions, but I doubt that will happen, and as is, making such divisions will just result in...
  5. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    They are the same, largely. Low 1-A is "above dimensions," but just not really in the same sense as 1-A, which is in fact above quantitative differences in general.
  6. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    I disagree with the suggestion itself, but either way this isn't the place to discuss it.
  7. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Make Low 1-A into the Universe of Sets and we're good to go, I believe. Anyway: I don't think expanding High 1-C is a priority issue right now. It wouldn't serve any practical purpose whatsoever for the foreseeable future whereas transferring 6-D to 1-C does. Ontop of what Agnaa said.
  8. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    I certainly wouldn't mind making 5-D into its own tier once more, yeah. I suppose we can apply that part of Option 2 if we like.
  9. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Not too sure about that, thinking of it now. Genuinely don't know of any characters who scale specifically to an inaccessible cardinal (Remember, we only had characters at that level before because we equated metaphysical layers to dimensions). Plus, in a less significant note, I think it'd...
  10. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Would go to High 1-B+
  11. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Hm. @Antvasima To clarify: How will votes work here? Technically, this is part of a site-wide revision, but it's also really just a ceremonial application of things that are already agreed upon (Save the discussion on tier reorganization). Given that, are we counting only admin votes and up...
  12. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Tier 2 isn't really immediately affected by these revisions. If I ever plan to tweak it a bit (Which I probably will), it'll come later.
  13. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Alright, so, I trimmed as much as I could without losing the essence of it. Here. As an aside: I also edited-in this into the Tiering System page draft. Adding in that little detail about Low 1-A and clarifying something about High 1-B+ after Lawyer made a comment about it up there...
  14. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Sounds good. The FAQ page effectively already says this, so, we can probably add a footnote saying: Don't mind that. Don't mind that, either. I suppose I was unconsciously speaking from experience when writing that, but then again stuff like this is not exactly verifiable. Mostly, the page...
  15. Ultima_Reality

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    Soon.
  16. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I was actually thinking of the old-ass interpretation we had of Lovecraft's cosmology where Azathoth was the dreamer of everything and Yog-Sothoth was considered to be the dream itself. Just the general idea of "This thing that isn't really the superessence in-and-of-itself but is second to it...
  17. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    The note itself is obsolete because characters with genuine R>F Transcendence just get BDE now. Hence I say we should remove it. I'd say so, yeah. Don't think much will need to be changed with Low 1-A and up.
  18. Ultima_Reality

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    This is just saying "Life has no intrinsic meaning beyond what you consciously impose on it." It's neither a reference to Jung (And even if it was, it wouldn't amount to anything whatsoever) nor indicative of Conceptual Manipulation. Literally just basic existentialist shit. I also hope you're...
  19. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Yeah, true enough on the last bit. I figured it'd be clear from how it's grouped under the same category as 1-A and High 1-A, but I guess rewriting it to be a bit clearer is good.
  20. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    It is, yeah. Still being kept.
  21. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    As always: I advise people to not mass-ping unsuspecting staff members to this. Would much rather let those who are interested come on their own, instead of dragging people who don't care into this.
  22. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Hi all. New Pages So: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ultima_Reality/thing https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ultima_Reality/thingy https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ultima_Reality/i_h https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ultima_Reality/e_kh...
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  23. Ultima_Reality

    LET US BRING SHINZA BACK Part 1

    Those are satisfying enough answers for me. I'll let the others speak on whether they find them sufficient as well.
  24. Ultima_Reality

    LET US BRING SHINZA BACK Part 1

    I'd also like something to be clarified: Is KKK being added back right away alongside the rest of the verse, or not? The blog posts you've linked have scans from it in them, like this one and these ones. Worth to point out that the latter two were seemingly actively added, too, since the latest...
  25. Ultima_Reality

    LET US BRING SHINZA BACK Part 1

    Are references really the only thing missing from these profiles? From what I gather, what you've just showed is just the old, deleted profiles, with slight alterations here and there. Reinhard's profile is too much of a hassle to do that with, but here's a side-by-side comparison with...
  26. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    HDE works the same as it did then. We're just not calling it "qualitative superiority" anymore. That term is 1-A-exclusive.
  27. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Either you have multiple characters who both somehow represent the one space of all possible things, or you have multiple beings who can select arbitrarily large worlds from these possibilities and create them. Both work.
  28. Ultima_Reality

    LET US BRING SHINZA BACK Part 1

    I have no problem with the verse being brought back, in principle. As said above, though, concrete material is needed to evaluate if your claims of resolving the issues with it hold true. So, whether Shinza is back or if it's indeed over depends on how successful these future CRTs end up being.
  29. Ultima_Reality

    LET US BRING SHINZA BACK Part 1

    I mean, you said it already. They need to be applied, first. We are currently in a transition period and you can't exactly make CRTs for standards that aren't formally instated yet. In that regard, my thoughts mirror DontTalk's.
  30. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Speak English. No, I'm moreso beginning to think Transduality is defined awfully and the only decent way to redefine it would leave it as a meaningless and redundant power to anything other than Tier 0s.
  31. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I'm contemplating nuking it.
  32. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    The "modal reality" doesn't need to be there, but minor nitpick aside: Yeah, a verse can end up locked beneath Tier 0 if its supreme reality ends up demonstrating such limitations. I won't speak for Transduality, since I plan to revise that whole thing. For Acausality, the answer is no. I...
  33. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Probably. Though nothing scales to the latter.
  34. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    More specifically, verses with fake Monads can really be at any tier, but if the thing is properly defined (Undifferentiated, transdual, yada yada), it's 0. You don't exactly need to spell out everything if the basic definition for the tier is met, of course. Wouldn't say that's a bug so much...
  35. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    The Force is probably 0.
  36. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I'd say that depends on quite a few factors and ultimately kinda just falls into a similar area as the idea of using something from a 1-A realm to ascend past your reality. A lot of verses have this common trope of some power source that, by nature, is just "for the taking," so to speak, in...
  37. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Not really, I'd say. A higher being could just have the ability to shift states of reality, after all. You'd need that to be depicted in a really wacky way for it to end up as an anti-feat.
  38. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I mean another, related thing, yeah.
  39. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Depends on what the thing in question is. Generally, names alone tend to refer to things that have a bunch of differing views and models, so, in that case, additional context is needed to ascertain which version is being used. Yeah, that stuff is utter nonsense. These things are more or less...
  40. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    The whole "That's NLF" deal got thrown out with the revisions. This stuff isn't really NLF at all, and nor is there any logical interpretation of them that lands lower. The example from inaccessible cardinals is making a demonstration about the old Tiering System, not the new one. The point is...
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