Containing realms doesn't make you qualitatively superior to them.
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Deagonx
Georredannea15
It just doesn't include.
completely transcends them
located on a higher plane of existence
Thus, it is a space that completely transcends the lower plane(Multiple infinite sized 4-D universes and structure infinitely larger than 4-D ) and 4-dimensional beings, and resides in an uninteractable and inconceivable higher plane of existence.
These are Cory's statements himself in the interwiew.
completely transcends them
located on a higher plane of existence
Thus, it is a space that completely transcends the lower plane(Multiple infinite sized 4-D universes and structure infinitely larger than 4-D ) and 4-dimensional beings, and resides in an uninteractable and inconceivable higher plane of existence.
These are Cory's statements himself in the interwiew.
Deagonx
That's fine. None of that is qualitative superiority. But stop calling normal universes "4-D" or I'm just going to delete this wall post again.
Georredannea15
If those 4 statements, contexts, feats and extra interview statements still aren't a 5-D then downgrade all the ontologically superior Low 1-C verses because there's been 3 or 4 revisions discussion about this realm being 5 dimensional and a few tier 1 experts accepted this.
Deagonx
That's whataboutism. The existence of several wanked verses on the wiki doesn't change our standards. The realm being 5-D was given a few "maybes" in that thread.
Georredannea15
Then downgrade any verse that doesn't have direct statement. Anyway, I won't tire you anymore. that would be disrespectful
Deagonx
I'd support any such downgrade, if someone directs me to a thread proposing it.
I'd support any such downgrade, if someone directs me to a thread proposing it.
Georredannea15
But these phrases have more context and extra statements than most Low 1-C verses. That's why several tier 1 experts and a total of 48 users and 7 staffs had agreed 5-D.
Deagonx
It doesn't meet our standards. It's just that simple. Celestial_Pegasus pointed this out early on.
Georredannea15
But the problem is that our standards never say anything like "directly statement required".
But the problem is that our standards never say anything like "directly statement required".
Deagonx
Without a direct statement, there are several possibilities other than QS that prevent us from assuming QS.
Georredannea15
Celestial_Pegasus stated that he didn't know much about Tier 1, and he was also just stuck on a simple "higher plane of existence" phrase and thought we were giving Low 1-C here. We explained this later but he did not respond.
Georredannea15
without context and extra statements yes you are right.
Deagonx
Well, he was right. There's nothing showing this realm is infinitely more powerful.
Georredannea15
If you don't count the contexts, extra statements and feats, yes absolutely. But considering these, there is definitely a QS here, I talked about it with pein.
Deagonx
I am counting those. Those contexts, statements, and feats, are the basis of my statement.
Georredannea15
Nowhere is there a "direct statement" requirement. This is your own request, but standards do not require it.
Things like "transcendence" "higher plane of existence" "transcendent existence" and "transcendent power" than lower plane were expressed. It is also supported along with extra statements, context and feats.
Things like "transcendence" "higher plane of existence" "transcendent existence" and "transcendent power" than lower plane were expressed. It is also supported along with extra statements, context and feats.
Deagonx
QS needs to be the only possible explanation for the evidence. You can't just assume it because of vague words like "transcend."
Georredannea15
Pls show me a verse whose direct statement says "qualitatively superior than X"?
Deagonx
If you're asking a question like that, then you're just pretty blatantly strawmanning my position and refusing to be reasonable. We have reached the "don't bother me" point of this discussion. This discussion serves no purpose.