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Yeah you're completely wrong here:

• We literally see him charge up Enma prior.
• Zoro says he's using the limit of his ability instead of letting the fight drag on.
• His arm never shriveled up against Kaidou
• He collapsed from using the literal "limit of his ability", the Hakai wasn't enough to make him collapse as seen prior.

Kaidou was trying to clash with it, one interpretation is his dead man's game overpowered him allowing him to scar him.

1. Just checked, you're right that Enma was charged (and his arm shrivelling earlier was anime-only apparently), so he did probably use Enma.

Damn.

2. That makes sense.

Personally you could argue it was due to speed or overpowering, it's up to interpretation.

Yeah I fully concede on that.

Btw, I was watching a OP debate video today and it pointed out that, when Zoro used Shishi Sonson on Base King (but did zero damage), he called it "One of his strongest attacks".

This would likely include the Enma attacks he used on the roof.

And King absolutely tanked that.

Zoro may have been referring to Shishi Sonson's dura neg, but still worthy of note.

Zoro said "but that last one was a way better attack" in reference to the attacks he tried using prior against King.

Rooftop has nothing to do with it and he doesn't specify strength, we already know why Shishi sonson would be considered a better attack as you mentioned Dura neg.

I was referring to the Enma attack he uses against King that did no damage

It can be more effective than that attack, although the wind blades from Tatsumaki never cut Kaidou.

Either way, it was still an Enma attack so it should still be in the same realm of power.

Nah

Sorry to bother you, but since you're the Zoro expert I need your help.

When Zoro uses Tatsumaki on Kaido, we indeed see that Enma is glowing with Haki right before it counters the tornado, but when we see that it slashed Kaido, it's not glowing anymore.

Was this still the work of only Enma, or normal Buso Haki?

It's still just Enma.

Ok, thanks.

Sorry for the late response on that.

No worries, wasn't a major issue, I was just curious what you thought.

Also, Zoro's Wano keys (mainly the first Wano key) are quite messy, something which is largely my fault, so I went and made a sandbox of Zoro's 2 Wano keys with some revisions (it uses the values from the CRT with Aokiji's calc).

Here it is: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Eseseso/Zoro_Wano_keys_sandbox.

As for the sources, I just haven't put them in yet.

If you want, lemme know what you think.

Sorry again for the late response, and I'm also sorry for the wall of text response.

First, this isn't really an issue with your sandbox more so Zoro's profile structure as a whole. Zoro's named technique feats really shouldn't be scaling to Zoro's regular base: "Alongside Killer, stunned and drew blood from Base Kaidou"

Remove this: "which could draw blood from Post-Haoshoku Advancement Base Luffy" as this didn't happen.

"even though she was capable of taking physical blows from Kaidou's Full Zoan form off-screen" I don't think this happened, and in case you were under the impression otherwise full Zoan Kaidou's physicals don't scale above his base kanabo stats; only to damaging Kawamatsu.

Slightly alter this: "which would've killed Eustass Kid, Law, Killer, and Luffy" to "which they believed would've killed" as it's more accurate.

Remove this: "and heavily implying that he would not have been able to replicate Zoro's feat" too speculative for what Kid actually said; man said it was a real feat that's all.

Remove this: "making his Iai attack stronger than Base Eustass Kidd who was unable to one-shot an off-guard Apoo with a Punk Gibson" it's unnecessary; Apoo's page and durability justification already exist.

Rest of the rooftop stuff seem fine.

For "As strong, if not stronger than his previous base." Just put "stronger than his previous base" since he is via feats.

Just put "blocked a one-hand sword strike from base King" instead of adding the Sanji stuff, just unnecessary fluff.

Remove the queen's hide scaling, that's a durability feat for his swords not himself.

Flame bullets and suit justification seems fine.

Remove the justification about S-Hawk, that should be saved for a future key.

"Easily cut King's suit into tatters with one attack, when the same suit had taken a Bluebird from Marco without any damage" add that it also cut king himself I guess.

Rest seems fine.

No worries.

1. I mean, it's still a 300TT feat, not different from him fighting Base Drake or Denjiro, so it's not needed to separate them.

2. It did happen, if you look here you can see a dark red spot/area/stain near his left hip below his coat plus red drops of blood.

3. Don't Zoan forms buff AP? Also that was already on the profile I just added it to the sandbox.

4. Ok.

4.5. I disagree. Kidd is an arrogant ass, so for him to not only thank Zoro but also compliment his feat says a lot.

5. Tbf, I added it since Apoo's durability doesn't scale 100% to Base Kidd's AP, it downscales from Base Kidd's AP (although I disagree since Apoo was off-guard and was relatively fine) IIRC. Thus, I added that to show that, while Apoo's durability downscales from Kidd's AP, Zoro did more to him than Kidd did.

6. Sure.

7. That Sanji stuff was from his profile.

8. Ok.

9. I don't mind removing the S-Hawk feat, but I don't think he'll get a separate key TBH.

10. Maybe, just don't wanna cluster it, and I already added that it scares flame on King.

Thanks for the feedback.

Good to hear.

1. Wasn't really meant to be a criticism of sandbox's sxaling, just that his named attacks across the series have been consistently shown and stated to scale above his regular base. In the future either me or someone else will probably addres it I imagine.

2. I already saw the debate on this with kachon and I side with his interpretation that it's not blood.

3. They do, however that would only put full Zoan above base Kaidou's punches not his kanabo swings.

4. Says a lot, sure. Does anything kid said imply what you're using as a justification? Absolutely not, it's too speculative to use as a justification for the statistics (and ultimately unnecessary since blocking a combo from the yonko speaks for itself)

5. It still shouldn't be included on Zoro's page as ultimately it's unnecessary when Apoo's page exists. Where Zoro and Kid are concerned a fair comparison can't really be made as the methods of damage were different and the amount of damage both dealt with to Apoo is neglible for a comparison.

7. I'm aware, I still think it's unnecessary as just saying he blocked a one-hand sword strike from king is more direct than adding more factors. For people reading the profile "scales to king" is easier to understand than "scales to king who tried to attack Sanji" if that makes sense.

9. It's too early to say but I imagine they should as backlogging the Wano keys after the arc is closed seems like a bad idea.

10. When reading it I was under the impression the feat didn't actually cut king himself and just the suit, that's the only reason I brought it up.

No problem

1. Unfortunately, there's not much I can do about that at the moment.

3. Even if that's true, Base Kaido = Base Big Mom, who while hungry and tired with no weapons pwned Zoan Queen.

4. While I don't agree with all of that, you're right that blocking a combined attack from 2 Yonko speaks for itself. Also IMO it alone puts Zoro's Buso AP on the same lvl as the durability of Law, Killer, Kidd, and Base Luffy.

7. Tbf, one-handed sword King has no real feats, while the statements allows for Base Zoro's AP to support for an attack meant to harm Sanji. I can possibly remove that it was meant for Sanji, but I see no point in adding that the attack he blocked was one-handed since 1-handed sword King has no scaling so no one would know what that'd scale to.

9. I'll remove it.

10. Yeah, that's why I added it to the sandbox per your suggestion.

3. That creates a pretty noticeable scaling issue tho though as the Scabbards scale below queen yet also scale to full zoan Kaidou's physicals which scale above zoan Queen by a decent margin

7. No it doesn't support that, you can't scale an attack to someone's durability because they intended to harm them (but the result was never seen), that's more assumption scaling. The entire reason Zoro backscaled from king in the first place was because he only blocked one-hand sword king; he backscales from the full value of king who does have feats (also scaling above king's regular physicals)

Sorry for not mentioning this sooner, I intended to but never covered it: "and fought Base King offscreen [Chapter 1026-27]" we don't need to scale base Zoro to base King using off-screen assumptions when we have valid on-screen feats to use for justifications.