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Base Onigashima Sanji still drew blood from Hybrid Queen.

Eh, I've seen that panel, it was a small bit of blood and Queen was somewhat caught by surprise.

Hybrid Queen was forcing Base Sanji back with his casual cyborg blows, and Sanji couldn't get the upper hand without Diable Jambe.

And as weird as it sounds, Zoan Queen's durability scaling isn't as high as Zoan Drake's, since Zoan Queen coughed up a bucket of blood from Marco's hit while Zoan Drake endured Apoo's DF which both knocked out Base Luffy and damaged Guernica who endured Kazenbo with minor injuries. Of course, Drake is shown in 1030 to have bruises in base, so these attacks did hurt Zoan Drake (though it's also good proof that he actually took hits from Apoo's DF), but the fact is that he still took them without major bleeding or whatnot.

Disagree with Drake being more durable, he was heavily damaged base to base and zoan drake wasn't portrayed to be crazy durable considering how badly wounded he was from a shigan.

Marco's hit is considered a shockwave which negates durability, Drake only took Apoo's DF off-screen so we can't make a fair comparison.

That Shigan was from a CP0 agent, but I kind of see your point.

And yeah, Marco's attack was a shockwave, but Big Mom while tired knocked Queen out for a few minutes with 2 blows.

And even so, Base Sanji couldn't do that much to Queen besides somewhat matching his cyborg attacks (which still sent him back until he used Diable Jambe), and his only damage to Hybrid Queen was one minor kick to the face that made him bleed. He's High 6-A in base, but he is inferior to Zoan Queen and in a matter of speaking downscales from Zoan Queen.

Apoo took the same thing and was damaged roughly the same amount as Drake was (Probably less)

Sure (although tbf to Queen she was enraged and exerted a decent amount of physical effort into those two blows), but that's Big Mom's so I'm not sure what relevance that has on Marco or even X Drake.

Right, but Zoan Drake no sold the attack; no blood, no knock-back he didn't even flinch.

Drake was already badly injured when he took the CP0 Shigan, to compare him to a healthy Apoo isn't a fair comparison.

Apoo's DF knocked out Post-Udon Luffy, who took a Bonbon from a Big Mom healthier than the one who beat up Zoan Queen.

It was just one base kick to the face, and right afterwards, Sanji was confident that he could take on Drake with Diable Jambe but was hit by Drake's tail before he could do so. Also, Sanji was holding Toko at the time, so he couldn't get fully serious until he gave Toko to Usopp.

Apoo was far from healthy, and the shigan Drake took was from far less healthy CP0 guy.

So Luffy took 1/3rd of an attack that was practically Prometheus' spit. Big Mom being healthier isn't relevant to the bonbons as that attack is dependent on Prometheus alone, with that in mind I don't remember anything suggesting Prometheus was superior to Big Mom's physicals (At least not the bonbon attack).

None of that addresses the point that Hybrid Queen had his head knocked back and spit up blood while Drake was literally unaffected. Him choosing to use Diable Jambe doesn't change that. Toko point is baseless headcanon, Sanji in Onigashima showed he could fight while still holding someone (Momo).

Apoo seemed to have somewhat recovered from his earlier wounds, as he was up and about with only some wounds and bruises, meanwhile Zoan Drake was barely conscious when he got the Shigan treatment. And Guernica wasn't "far less healthy", he was just somewhat exhausted from the off-screen fight and was somewhat bleeding from Drake impaling him from behind and was later shown to be visibly fine (like when he and Maha encountered Izou or when he restrained Luffy).

Big Mom's AP = Her Homies' AP when she is using them while she is serious. That's why Killer's Yonko-lvl durability is from taking 2 thunder attacks from Big Mom's Homies. Also, Prometheus hurt Law with Stolen Fire by himself after Law shocked Big Mom.

Queen was caught off-guard and wasn't paying attention when Sanji kicked him, while Drake seemed more focused on Sanji as he was looking right at him. When he was focused on fighting Sanji, Sanji in base couldn't even dent his cyborg hand and was pushed back by Hybrid Queen's normal punches.

He can fight while holding someone, but that doesn't mean it's easy for him. There's a reason he didn't try using Diable Jambe until he had given Toko to Usopp. Just because Drake took one kick without injury doesn't mean that he would've taken all of Sanji's hits without injury.

Pretty sure Izou occured before Drake impaled the CP0 guy which is the reason for him being damaged when facing drake again, this is just off the top of my head though so I may have misremembered.

Based on what? What supports her homies individually scaling equal to her. And them being High 6-A isn't the issue; they can be High 6-A and not be equal to her physically.

Being focused or on guard makes no difference here when both just took the attack plainly. The stuff about the cyborg hand or getting overpowered isn't relevant to Queen's skin which is what Sanji drew blood from.

Maybe he couldn't fight to the same degree or use Diable Jambe, but, how is that relevant to the fact his kick power in base would be the same; at least in comparison to the kicks used on Drake and Queen.

1. Well, Izou occurred after the Drake fight, but we only see Maha fight him while Guernica is casually sitting down with no injuries, so Maha was likely the only one involved against Izou. Before being stabbed from behind, Guernica just had some moderate damage from his off-screen fight with Drake.

2. I mean they could be below her, but they're clearly still on her level considering that they can hurt people who are comparable to Big Mom's normal AP (like Law), and Marco even said that she was a serious threat with her Homies.

3. Sanji seemed to have kicked the human mouth part of Hybrid Queen, which is less durable than the Zoan part. When he tried damaging the Zoan skin, he needed Diable Jambe to even do any notable damage, and even then he admitted that he was having trouble breaking through Queen's Zoan hide. When he kicked Drake, it was on his fully Zoan snout.

1. We see of the outcome of the fight which is Izou and Maha taking each other out, Guernica isn't just randomly sitting on the floor while his ally dies he was most likely knocked to the ground. Regardless Shigan did relative damage to both Apoo and Drake, how healthy they were is redundant as in both cases none of them were at their full health and being slightly injured isn't going to drastically effect the attack power of Guernica or the durability of Drake/Apoo.

2. Hurt him, sure just like an individual bonbon hurt him to an extent. That's expected considering they would still remain High 6-A, however, them being equal to her physicals is unsupported. Marco saying that doesn't prove the Homies individually are equal to Big Mom physically as that version of Big Mom would have used homies in conjunction with her physical strength.

3. Fair enough on the queen part.

1. Guernica seems to be sitting criss-cross with no real injuries following the Izou fight, and nothing supports him having gotten involved in the fight (for some reason). Also, Apoo was at medium health, on-guard, and used Buso Haki when he got Shigan, and was still out for a minute. Drake was bloodied, beaten, and barely conscious, and was blitzed by Guernica using what is clearly Soru to go FTE and Shigan him.

2. Fair. Although remember that Apoo's Boom also scales above Kazenbo (which hurt Base Yamato and made her cry out in pain when it attacked her) due to doing more visible damage to Guernica. And the Luffy he knocked out also took a hit to the head from Thunder Bagua (as he couldn't fully dodge it), as well as casual blows from Hybrid Kaido.

Not to mention, Base Luffy and Zoro took a bite from Zoan Queen in chapter 989 while off guard (as they were trying to get to the roof and didn't see Queen coming), yet they were both unharmed by the bite (and no, Zoro did not block Queen's tooth, that's anime-only). So Apoo's DF did more damage than a Zoan Queen bite.

3. I mean, it's similar to how Robin beat Black Maria by crippling her human part, and Sanji breaking Queen's robot-arm since it isn't as durable as his Zoan hide. His human part would still scale >= to Base Queen's durability, so it's still high 6-A for Sanji.

1. Not at all, he was on the ground. We literally see in every other encounter that CP0 team up to take down people this narrative of him sitting it out is completely unsupported. None of this health scaling is relevant as characters even at almost 0% stamina or before death can still perform relative to what they're typically capable of.

2. It doesn't, both did relatively the same thing to Guernica. And Base Yamato in both AP & Durability is practically featless when it comes to High 6-A. Luffy took a small portion of a one-handed thunder bagua from base Kaidou which all things considered isn't that impressive in terms of the range of High 6-A scaling, We have no context for the hits he took from Hybrid Kaidou as they happened off-screen plus this was a Luffy from later into the fight who would have grown stronger and more durable.

Not sure how Yamato was more injured than Guernica by the Kazenbo? He screamed a little more than her. Only Maha endured it with no guarding nor screaming. Wouldn't the Kazenbo actively shapeshifting to attack sb be stronger than it just randomly flying thru people. BTW the Kazeboo needs simular durability negation to Ace's via the wierd phasing flames ability.

Yeah makes sense

The Kazenbo phasing through walls doesn't seem to be dura neg, as it seems more like it's simply burning through the walls and floors, at least from what I can tell from the panels.

1. There just isn't enough to prove that Guernica joined against Izou, especially since he doesn't have any bullet wounds or blood afterwards. Keep in mind that his mask was slightly bleeding after the offscreen Drake fight, so if he'd actually joined against Izou he probably would have shown bleeding from bullet wounds. And yes, OP characters have high stamina, but Drake was barely conscious, so even though he took a Shigan, he wouldn't have been able to get up from it due to having no energy left.

1.5. Look at it, Guernica did cry out as much as Yamato did, although they were right in the center of it while Yamato was hit with its fire arm, and CP0 wasn't expecting it like Yamato was.

2. Featless? She matched blows from Hybrid Kaido in base two times, and took a Thunder Bagua from Kaido with just some bleeding.

Just going to respond to the last one for now;
- first is a one-handed strike with Hao Infusion; which she would have matched with her own Hao Infusion (So not Base, plus we don't even know the outcome of this "clash" in the first place)

- Second is an attack intended for Momo so the likelihood of Kaidou going all out isn't guaranteed. Assuming she did genuinely match Hybrid Kaidou as an equal it was be a huge outlier considering every other encounter between them & due to those who scale to this version of Yamato (I've already discussed this in past threads).

- She "took" that thunder Bagua in her hybrid form alongside a layer of ice armour, this isn't a feat for base Yamato.

Plus the Kanzebo thing is intangible and phases through things so it would definitely qualify as durability negation tbh.

It doesn't look like the Kanzebo was making holes in the 1st 2 panels when it passed thru walls/ceilings.

1.5 He did scream a little more than her actually. And the Kazenbo wasn't shapeshifting & attacking them on purpose like it did with her.

-She briefly clashed with him head-on, struggled with his power, eventually gets overpowered & transforms. It should be in her Hao scaling not just base.

-Yeah, that attack was meant to finish off Dragon Momo. This would scale her above adult Dragon Momo in physicality(not counting for Bolo Breath) but below Hybrid Kaido obviously. I plan making a ctr for her.

1. If Kaido with Hao and Yamato with Hao matched, her base without Hao should at least be comparable. I'm not saying her Base is Hybrid Kaido level, especially since her own Hybrid got overpowered eventually by Hybrid Kaido, but it shows that her own base is definitely comparable to Base Kaido.

1.5. You're right, it isn't making holes as it goes. But CP0 was still in the middle of its fire, which shouldn't be any different from the fire it used to hit Yamato, it just made the arm to extend itself and attack her.

2. If its intangibility was constant enough to be dura neg, wouldn't it not have been affected by Yamato's ice? And it was unable to phase through Yamato's ice to detonate the bombs.

3. Yamato is definitely below Hybrid Kaido, but she's still on "Yonko" level via downscaling from Hybrid (but not heavily downscaling like the Scabbards, I mean being in the same realm of power as Kaido). She's like Marco and King, as in she's not on the level of power that the Yonko are but she is close.

3.5. Momo hurt Dragon Kaido and matched Greenbull (who pierced Flame-Off King), so Yamato blocking an attack meant to kill Momo is still good for Yamato.